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Title: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on May 30, 2017, 04:18:39 AM
Hi All -

I'm starting to put together one last tournament for us but need to know which alliances will be up for perhaps the final tournament this universe will see. I'll post the details later this week and will try to send out message to the various alliance leaders.

My thinking is that the tournament will start the 3rd full week of June 18th or perhaps the last depending on when alliances can be ready. Please let me know which alliances are up for this.

Thanks,
Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Lord Hurricane on June 01, 2017, 01:08:24 AM
That would be nice  8)

have my own alliance butt not enough members to compete if this tournament really starts
alliances that needs extra players  to compete can always contact me
Lord Hurricane Ranked 78 on the leaderboard
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on June 01, 2017, 02:28:46 AM
Time Wasters will be available when you are.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 01, 2017, 03:17:58 AM
The Mongols.

I'm so excited! Of course we'll need the rules to see if we'll be able to qualify.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Scott Antichow on June 03, 2017, 06:04:54 AM
Sounds like fun!!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on June 03, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
About time. I have had to hibernate for months out of boredom.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 03, 2017, 11:56:32 PM
Sorry for the long delay. Work has been insane for me as of late. Will post the scoring system shortly. The system basically rewards risks but doesn't prevent people from attacking like they always do.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 04, 2017, 03:01:20 AM
Hi All -

For the upcoming tournament, all of the standard tournament rules apply that we've used with our previous tournaments. If I need to post them I will dig them up and put them here. Let me know.

As for the scoring system, I've watched how these tournaments and non-tournament wars have devolve into only the largest players hunting while the majority of alliance members staying in FRS / P-mode / d-mode. I know there are exceptions to what I've said but for the most part this is how our wars go at this point. This scoring system is designed to reward those who take risks versus those who don't (i.e. send such overwhelming force the defender has no choice but to run away or be destroyed). I'm fully aware this is valid tactic. The unfortunate side effect has resulted in wars that aren't as engaging. It should be noted that this system doesn't prevent this tactic only reduces its reward. Its a player's choice. My goal is to change this pattern and provide everyone with a sense that they can make an impact other than hiding away. Over the course of time, our community has segmented into 2 tournaments - Main and "JV". I want to bring them together under one roof for a large tournament. Remember Tournament 2? We had 15 alliances vying for the crown. This is an attempt to recapture that time. 

Alliances will earn "strike points" for success full attacks and defends / ninjas. The game's actually war points are used to determine if an attack or defend hits the threshold to be considered for awarding "strike points". While this scoring system isn't perfect (I'm sure people will find exploits and things to nick pick) its my attempt to level the playing field for all alliances to compete under one roof. And now without further hesitation, the scoring system -

SCORING SYSTEM

The scoring system is based on fleet strengths of the attacker versus the defender's total fleet strength. All fleet strengths are determine and posted at the start of each round. This is the number that will be used to calculate the strike points awarded (See Chart & Examples below)

Note - A successful Attack / Defend must generate a minimum of 25k war points. All successful defends are worth 500 strike points - no more, no less.

ATTKR Force vs. Defender's Total Fleet Str.      STRIKE POINTS
                   0 - 10%                                              5000
                   11- 25%                                              3750
                   26 - 50%                                             2500
                   51 - 75%                                             1250
                   76 - 100%                                           1000
                  101 - 125%                                           500
                  126 - 150%                                           250
                  151% or more                                       100
      
Example - Ship vs Ship
Example 2 - Resource Strike

As a side note, the reason behind successful defends being valued at 500 and not based on the chart is again to promote / reward the attackers. I'm more than willing to discuss this point with anybody.

I realize that scoring system presented here is a change and different from what this community is used to playing with. Its my hope that we'd see more activity in terms of attacks from different players who aren't accustom to doing so. Will this require some modifications on our approach to playing perhaps but wouldn't that be a good thing? Some will likely not like this system and that's fine. Its everyone's choice to participate or not. I offer this as a change of pace and possibly breathe a little life back into our game.

TOURNAMENT

Depending on the number of participating alliances will determine exactly the format we'll follow (i.e. Round robin, Single Elimination, Double Elimination, etc.). Further once I know the numbers of alliances I'll work with Blue Frog to determine the tournament's rewards. A while ago I talked with them and the more alliances playing general will result in a bigger reward.

Parameters
More to come soon. If you have any question feel free to send them to me. I'll start pinging the individual alliances to see who wants in.

Rayman

P.S. I'm open to discussing numbers for anything above. I also want to thank T-Wayne for his input on the above system.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 04, 2017, 04:33:34 AM
I'll discuss with Justice but unless we get an influx of players who want to participate, I think the parameters will rule The Mongols out.  :-\
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Wedge Antilles on June 05, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Add a rule about people in d mode not being allowed to post in war threads and I bet you would have more interest.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 05, 2017, 02:08:59 AM
Well there's no way to enforce any such rule but I hear you.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on June 05, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
Or people that use a different forum name to their game name so they can chat crap while hiding themselves.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on June 06, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
Hello, Rayman,

I'm pretty certain you can count the HODdists in.  Let me vet this with my leadership team to ensure I have their agreement.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: STONKER on June 07, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
Could we push for 10 active players always?

No p mode either, unless 10 are active, it should not really be an issue unless players have forgotten how to frs. Go back to old school play before markers and would make a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Captain Theodore on June 07, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
Based on will play in this tourny. No I would insist on P mode being allowed. Many of us have real life issues and cannot be online at time of fleets return from Fleetsave. P mode is a failsafe for many of us.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Captain Theodore on June 07, 2017, 06:30:02 PM
So when is the proposed date of the start of the tourny?
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: STONKER on June 07, 2017, 09:27:50 PM
Okay everybody has a view, just thought it would be more interesting frs but I do understand many alliances would struggle getting 10 players to do so  :)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 08, 2017, 12:53:22 AM
Tournament Start Date - Last week of June (i.e. 6/25) tentative
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 10, 2017, 06:25:32 PM
Hi All -

I'm posting the tournament rules again as requested -

Standard Tournament Rules Apply

The following tactics will constitute a forfeit by any alliance using them

•   Resource dumping
•   Tag dropping while an attack is inbound
•   Unwelcome Group defend

As for Unwelcome group defends -

If the joiner is from a different alliance in the tournament then:
•   That's person's alliance will forfeit all of their Round Robin wars OR forfeits their round in the Elimination Round
•   The Battle will be recalculated to determine the points that should have be awarded using Battlementat. Unfortunately it will then be on those 2 fighting alliance leaders to keep track of their points manually . The war continues until one side acquires enough points to win outright
•   If the Battle would have resulted in a victory for either side then the losing side will surrender to grant victory to the winning alliance

If the joiner is from a different alliance not in the tournament then:
•   The Battle will be recalculated to determine the points that should have be awarded using Battlementat. Unfortunately it will then be on those 2 fighting alliance leaders to keep track of their points manually (Matt - Please let me know if BFG might consider adjusting points). The war continues until one side acquires enough points to win outright.
•   If the Battle would have resulted in a victory for either side then the losing side will surrender to grant victory to the winning alliance.
•   Alliance leaders are responsibly for conveying & emphasizing the this rule and the consequences if its violated. Please make sure they know.

The prize pool is still TBD.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Tal-Khoraash on June 14, 2017, 09:44:53 AM
The Rigellian Compact is considering joining. Though we'll have to add some folks to meet the numbers required if we do decide to join in.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Scott Antichow on June 14, 2017, 10:54:55 PM
The more the merrier. This doesn't have to be the last one either. Let's all.join up try this new scoring thing out. Maybe it is the ticket. It should allow the smaller players to get in on the action.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 16, 2017, 11:36:14 AM
I know we need to figure something out rather rapidly...The Mongols are nowhere near 10 active... 😟

We would welcome members who want to participate.

And I like the idea of banning p mode. Figure it out. Fail safe my butt... That is exactly what used to make this game so fun. Life getting in the way. Forgetting. Oversleeping. And that panic when you log in and see your message counter and trying to figure out if all your stuff is safe. F*** p mode.

Now that's not to say p mode should go away from the game but it should be used sparingly.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on June 16, 2017, 02:39:38 PM
I never understood why people use p mode anyway.  It costs a lot more than fleetsaves.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Scott Antichow on June 16, 2017, 08:45:00 PM
P mode can be activated and stopped at a moment's notice. There was a time not too long ago where it was cheaper to p mode rather than fleet save. Now it is cheaper to fleet save rather than p mode. P mode can be used as a tactic as well.although I am not in a big hurry to explain it on here.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Scott Antichow on June 16, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
I wonder if personal messages need to be sent out to each alliance leader and ask them to post the tournament info on their boards. I am thinking that not a lot of players are reading this forum.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on June 17, 2017, 12:16:57 AM
P markers have always been more expensive than FRS.  I do agree that it is nice to come out of it when you like, but I am an organized person, so I set my fleetsaves to my schedule (or the one what's her name sets for me).
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on June 17, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Does not matter how many players you have.
What matters is you take part.
And so long as theres a time limit then you cannot play for a draw as we should give out points aswell for failed attacks.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: CMDR Martin on June 18, 2017, 01:02:17 AM
With all the complex rules to try ans level the playing field, who is preforms all the calculations.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 18, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
Well I'll be performing the official calculations so I will need to know how many ships were used in an attack. All fleet strengths are taking at the start of each round(s).
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 18, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
Battle reports have ship counts in them...that's easy enough.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 18, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
That just sparked my first question...

How will defenses play in the calculations? Some of these planets are heavily defended...
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 18, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
Defense plays no part in the calculations.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on June 18, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Just because I want to address it now, theoretically speaking, players can up their defenses to lower their opponents possible point gains...they don't have to build a fleet because having less ships would be beneficial during the tournament.

Also, what about volley hits...will each one count individually or will all attacks at launch be rolled into one attack? I'm thinking of the smaller players who may not be able to gather a 25k point war hit in one attack...
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on June 18, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
I think defences should be counted into sucessful attacks on ship targets. To many defences nowadays rayman. You need to place the emphasis on attack.
Im not saying do it on res hits or silly failed hits. Just on hits that are sucessful on ships gaining dsp.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 19, 2017, 02:09:14 AM
For now I'm not going to count defenses for this tournament but will give some thought to it.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on June 19, 2017, 04:28:06 AM
Hi, Rayman,

Please count HOD in as a participant. 
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 19, 2017, 05:09:30 PM
Good to hear that T! Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on June 22, 2017, 12:43:17 AM
Good Evening All -

As of now, we're going to postpone the upcoming Tournament until later this year (most likely around early September) due to low alliance participation. I realized that it was dicey to schedule a tournament during summertime and alas it has proven true.

We just couldn't get enough alliances able to commit to play. I'll start beating the war drums in August to see who will answer the call.

My apologies to those of us who were looking forward to this next week.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: occuli imperator on June 22, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
BFG to blame...
lost of interest, no upgrade.
sod all to play for
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: renykeny on July 16, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
WOW...I ONLY PLAY NEWER UNIS NOW...BUT I DID NOT REALIZE SFCO WAS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE THAT YOU CANNOT GET 10 PLAYERS PER ALLIANCE...
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on July 17, 2017, 04:01:04 AM
No need to yell.

It isn't that we can't get 10 people in an alliance, getting 10 active players is the real issue.  Too many folks in d mode, mostly because they made folks grow so large that it became expensive just to have enough hydro to operate.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on July 17, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
P mode killed it.
And monster sized npcs.
Top ranks should be forced to hunt players.
Npcs should have just been used to build up noobs and people smashed to bits.
Now its pathetic that nobody except based on will war because they find it to scary and want to protect the pathetic war records for some reason.
Half the people in d mode just waiting for the [edit] to get this tourny on.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Laughter on July 21, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
P mode killed it.
And monster sized npcs.
Top ranks should be forced to hunt players.
Npcs should have just been used to build up noobs and people smashed to bits.
Now its pathetic that nobody except based on will war because they find it to scary and want to protect the pathetic war records for some reason.
Half the people in d mode just waiting for the [edit] to get this tourny on.

Completely agree.
And the other half are just waiting for the day when the game dies.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: drj on July 29, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
instead of moaning bring it back active.

Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on July 29, 2017, 07:14:00 PM
Its not going to happen because people are bored of npcs and p mode.
If the tourny ever gets underway then it might lift the major boredom factor.
You cannot go to war with yourself after all.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Tybors Master on July 31, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
A slight input, and perhaps orhers are affected in similar ways.

I cam back to the game when only part time employed. Early January I obtained full time employment.... 12 hrs shifts, 20 to 24 days/nights in a row. 10 days off, and 4 of those are taken up in travel time.

Whilr working.... no electronics are allowed onsite... so no cell phone. No maintaining or playing the game.

So alas.... d mode or leave. Or getting to monitor this forum adequately.

I have not given up, and I hope others will not.

There is a huge dedication to this game. The faithful long term, are still here. Even if wuietly so..

Much as I would enjoy participating in another tournament, I am unable to do so. I feel that others are in the same position, even if reasons are different.

T.M.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: drj on August 01, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
last year was spot on.  few crazy wars, few tourneys (please note i did 1 my first) , some top players.  lets get the handful together and try to get a tourney together.

win lose or draw a war it's a great part of the game i really enjoy. 
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on August 06, 2017, 12:41:29 PM
I'm still planning on proposing and hosting the next tournament most likely after Labor day as most people should be back from Summer vacations. I agree that the tournaments are a fun part of the game but the community is getting to a state where there aren't enough people to make the tournament viable.

I'll start reviving up the inquires to the various alliance leaders however I have my vacations coming up later this month.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on August 08, 2017, 02:27:09 PM
As the number of active players dwindle down, I think we should tailor the "games" to what we have...inevitably some will return to active status while others will hide during war time. This game doesn't have the draw it once had.

That being said...yeah, life is changing for the players. People are getting older, getting jobs, finding new hobbies, getting spouses, getting babies, losing spouses, traveling, and basically adjusting their game play around life. It was one of the things that fascinated me about the game but then people started freaking out about losing their fleet...so perpetual d mode and p markers made it unnecessary to plan their gameplay around life. It's a catch 22 I suppose.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on August 12, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
Am looking forward to next tourney :)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on August 31, 2017, 08:16:19 PM
Supreme Commander Commander Rick O Shea‎ (vd)   B.A.D.

Wonder if he caught VD from Aneas ?? lmao
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 01, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
Alrighty peeps!

Who's ready for the tournament. I'm targeting Sept. 15th 8:01pm (EST) for the 1st Round to begin. I need to know which alliances will answer the call by the 8th so I can work with Blue Frog to see what kind of prize pool they'll be willing to reward.

The more alliances that participate the bigger the pot should be. Come one, come all. Remember your alliance will need 10 active members (i.e. not in d or v-mode as well as not hiding under P-mode 24hrs a day). If your alliance is interested but just shy of 10 active, ping me and we might be able to work something out.

Please keep in mind that the scoring system for this tournament differs from the way we've done it previous. You can find it at the beginning of this thread (i.e. Page 1). The scoring system is designed to help all alliances compete on a somewhat equal footing. Shoot me any questions you have.

Thanks and I hope to see a bunch of alliances participating.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 03, 2017, 01:32:28 PM
So everyone can see the scoring system without having to go back to the 1st page of this thread here it is again -

For the upcoming tournament, all of the standard tournament rules apply that we've used with our previous tournaments. If I need to post them I will dig them up and put them here. Let me know.

As for the scoring system, I've watched how these tournaments and non-tournament wars have devolve into only the largest players hunting while the majority of alliance members staying in FRS / P-mode / d-mode. I know there are exceptions to what I've said but for the most part this is how our wars go at this point. This scoring system is designed to reward those who take risks versus those who don't (i.e. send such overwhelming force the defender has no choice but to run away or be destroyed). I'm fully aware this is valid tactic. The unfortunate side effect has resulted in wars that aren't as engaging. It should be noted that this system doesn't prevent this tactic only reduces its reward. Its a player's choice. My goal is to change this pattern and provide everyone with a sense that they can make an impact other than hiding away. Over the course of time, our community has segmented into 2 tournaments - Main and "JV". I want to bring them together under one roof for a large tournament. Remember Tournament 2? We had 15 alliances vying for the crown. This is an attempt to recapture that time. 

Alliances will earn "strike points" for success full attacks and defends / ninjas. The game's actually war points are used to determine if an attack or defend hits the threshold to be considered for awarding "strike points". While this scoring system isn't perfect (I'm sure people will find exploits and things to nick pick) its my attempt to level the playing field for all alliances to compete under one roof. And now without further hesitation, the scoring system -

SCORING SYSTEM

The scoring system is based on fleet strengths of the attacker versus the defender's total fleet strength. All fleet strengths are determine and posted at the start of each round. This is the number that will be used to calculate the strike points awarded (See Chart & Examples below)

Note - A successful Attack / Defend must generate a minimum of 25k war points. All successful defends are worth 500 strike points - no more, no less.

ATTKR Force vs. Defender's Total Fleet Str.      STRIKE POINTS
                   0 - 10%                                              5000
                   11- 25%                                              3750
                   26 - 50%                                             2500
                   51 - 75%                                             1250
                   76 - 100%                                           1000
                  101 - 125%                                           500
                  126 - 150%                                           250
                  151% or more                                       100
      
Example - Ship vs Ship
Example 2 - Resource Strike

As a side note, the reason behind successful defends being valued at 500 and not based on the chart is again to promote / reward the attackers. I'm more than willing to discuss this point with anybody.

I realize that scoring system presented here is a change and different from what this community is used to playing with. Its my hope that we'd see more activity in terms of attacks from different players who aren't accustom to doing so. Will this require some modifications on our approach to playing perhaps but wouldn't that be a good thing? Some will likely not like this system and that's fine. Its everyone's choice to participate or not. I offer this as a change of pace and possibly breathe a little life back into our game.

TOURNAMENT

Depending on the number of participating alliances will determine exactly the format we'll follow (i.e. Round robin, Single Elimination, Double Elimination, etc.). Further once I know the numbers of alliances I'll work with Blue Frog to determine the tournament's rewards. A while ago I talked with them and the more alliances playing general will result in a bigger reward.

Parameters
More to come soon. If you have any question feel free to send them to me. I'll start pinging the individual alliances to see who wants in.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 05, 2017, 01:32:48 PM
If you are still planning on going forward I'll round up support to take COLD into this thing, I need to get support and solicitation but I might be able to get COLD into this
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 06, 2017, 01:30:55 AM
I am and that would be great!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on September 06, 2017, 02:44:57 AM
I don't know what's happening with the storm but I'd like to participate...I'd be a free agent though. There's no way I can get the Mongols to 10 in time.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 07, 2017, 11:45:25 AM
Am I taking it that Based On is the only ones ready to rumble ??
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 07, 2017, 06:11:15 PM
Incorrect

Current Alliances Participating -

Pilgrims
Based On
Time
COLD

Most likely just waiting final word -
HOD
B.A.D.

Would love to see 8 or more alliances trying for the tournament crown.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 07, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
I would love to see swarm and Unimatrixzero participate, I've been talking with them to see if they were going to join the rumble
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 07, 2017, 10:57:57 PM
They are more than welcome and would love to see them play.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 08, 2017, 04:44:07 PM
I got this from the lead of unimatrixzero

pt.Blackbeard   re: Tournament   about 4 hours ago
To: Dead Zone
Date: 2017-09-08 12:45:49 UTC
Thanks for checking with us. I asked what few we have active and there not interested. Just to much going on in RL right now. Our biggest problem is having so many in D mode. If any of my guys change their mind I am ok with them joining another group for the tourney.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 08, 2017, 11:55:46 PM
Thanks for the update. Remember there's no d-rate but an alliance needs 10 players not in d/v mode (i.e. active). Please keep in mind this also means not 3 actively hunting while 7 stay in permanent 'p-mode'. We want an active tournament.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on September 09, 2017, 04:24:54 AM
Maybe what we ought to do is actively hunt the folks that are to scared to go PvP, but call themselves active? LOL
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Wedge Antilles on September 09, 2017, 05:09:00 AM
Maybe what we ought to do is actively hunt the folks that are to scared to go PvP, but call themselves active? LOL
I agree with this^ completely.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 09, 2017, 06:42:05 AM
Cold is accepting members right now if anyone is wanting to participate in this tournament but their alliance can't get the bodies together we would welcome others to join us.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 09, 2017, 11:01:42 AM
Awesome! Thanks Dead and COLD.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 09, 2017, 11:09:41 AM
Hi All -

I going to see if I can get BFG to provide the tournament pool prizes (i.e. credits). I'm asking for an alliance pool (i.e. split between all of the alliances depending their finish) and an individual pool. The individual pool will be awarded for various acts (i.e. riskiest attack, best ninja, etc.).

I'm think the individual awards could be awarded after each round.

Thoughts.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 10, 2017, 12:27:13 AM
That would be awesome! I've been reaching out to other alliances, surprising no one really reads the threads
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 10, 2017, 05:42:53 AM
When are we kicking this off? What is the final word about HOD and BAD? Cold is still recruiting, having trouble getting 10 together, I've been reaching out to other alliances, I didn't realize this game has so few people willing to tournament anymore.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 10, 2017, 10:58:16 AM
Unimats been a retirement home for years. They dont realise what there missing out on. Although half of them are to easy to hit so they prob best off not taking part.
However anvil should take part but they got no christomas now so there weak. I think c.o.g.o.f. still have the balls to participate tho. I would see them and maybe get some mercs joining mongols then we should scrape 8 teams. Theres a few in atlantis that think there up for it so they should join mongols to make up the numbers.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on September 11, 2017, 03:53:43 AM
There are only 2.5 players that are active in the Mongols...and 2.5 of them are in d mode. LOL Mongols ain't happening this go around. Justice is in rebuild mode...and we're riding out Irma as I type...but I'm the only one scheduled to come out of d mode once the storm passes... We have about 4 players who only communicated with him and they mainly spoke/speak via fb and phone/text. Unless Justice contacts them, I can't get them out of d mode. I'm afraid players aren't interested in this game, as much, anymore.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 11, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
Heres a better idea then.
Bfg should force every alliance into a timed war.
If they all hide in d mode for the set time its marked as a war loss.
About time they made a dead game more fun.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 11, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Hi All -

As a result of IRMA, I'm going to delay the tournament start by 1 week to give players the opportunity to deal with it. So the tournament will begin at 8:01pm (EST) on Friday 9/22.

Hope the best for all those dealing with IRMA.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Stina Starr on September 11, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
Thanks Rayman!!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 11, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
When you guys clean up after Irma Stina if you want Cold would love to have you guys join us
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Captain Blackbeard on September 13, 2017, 03:35:39 PM
Unimats been a retirement home for years. They dont realise what there missing out on. Although half of them are to easy to hit so they prob best off not taking part.

Love comments like this from a permanent D moder. LOL
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 13, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
Only in d mode out of boredom of the game.
I will make the effort and come out for the tourny.
I challenge you lot to do the same.
You have 10 good players there.
With some slick leadership you might actualy do well mate.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 16, 2017, 03:24:57 PM
Good morning -

I have a proposal in with BFG for the tournament prize pool which also includes a few individual awards (i.e. most number of successful attacks, riskiest attack and best defend / ninja.

Once I have it approved I'll post it to the community. Look for the details shortly.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Bulgarian Teal on September 16, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
Rayman.
I want to thank you for ALL the effort you put into these tournaments! I've loved every one of them win/lose/draw. At the end of each one, I start looking forward to the next. I'm sure that everyone in the Time/time family feels the same way.
Once again, THANK YOU!!!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Bulgarian Teal on September 17, 2017, 02:59:15 AM
If anyone needs a couple more, those guys from Swarm, like Klarg, are excellent players.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 17, 2017, 10:02:39 PM
You wont be seeing Anvil here .. lol since CC, BC , and I left, they got no one balsy enough to step up to the plate. As for myself, I come into this tourney wired for sound.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 18, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
Hi All -

Here's who's currently in the tournamet -

Pilgrims
Time
Based On
BAD
COLD

Most likely -
HOD

Would love to have 2 more alliance join for 8. Anything beyond that is pure icing on the cake. As for the start time it currently starts this Friday (8:01pm EST) / Saturday (12:01am game time). I might make that time for final alliance sign-up. I would then take Saturday to set up who plays who, etc.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 18, 2017, 06:49:49 PM
HOD is in.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 18, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
YAY!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Bulgarian Teal on September 18, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
You wont be seeing Anvil here .. lol since CC, BC , and I left, they got no one balsy enough to step up to the plate. As for myself, I come into this tourney wired for sound.
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I guess it is hard to compete when only one person is active. At least the leader is active. Guess all the others are just going to sit in d-mode until someone wants to buy their account. Lol!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Bulgarian Teal on September 18, 2017, 09:12:36 PM
@ Rayman
You've got a great list going there! I understand why SWaRM and Mongols are out. The others are just missing out. Guess they don't have anyone that remembers how much fun we had before NPC'S or moons.

This is going to be a blast (as always!)!
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 18, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
May aswell start with a big round robin to warm everyone up lol
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 18, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
If we only get 6 then it will be a free for all and the top 4 alliances will advance to round 2. For round 2, the top 2 will advance to the championship round.

That is my current thinking. If we get 8 I'll break them out into 2 divisions of 4 to fight it out. Top 2 alliances from each division will then meet with the top seed from each division playing the other division's 2nd place team.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 19, 2017, 09:58:09 PM
Cold is still looking for people to join if anyone is interested in participating
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 19, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
Hey - Check with the Grey Wolves leader. I seem to recall he mentioned some who'd be interested.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 20, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
Hi All -

Here's what the prize pool will be for the upcoming tournament -

Alliance Based
Each participating alliance receives - 250k (alliance must have 10 active players which translates to 25k per player)
Individual Awards
Note - A successful attack must generate at least 25k war points for you side.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 21, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
Rayman,

What is the official start date and time, what is the procedure for the DoWs, etc.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 21, 2017, 03:22:21 PM
Hi Guys -

My apologies for not clarifying this sooner (work has been crazy lately). I have sign-ups ending tomorrow at 8:00pm EST (9/22).

I'm using Saturday to sort out if we have division or free fall along with who sends war invites. Tournament will start Sunday evening at 8:01pm EST (9/24)

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 21, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
One other thing that I'll be doing on Saturday is gathering all participants fleet strengths (i.e. from the leader board). I'll be taking the numbers at 12 noon (Est) and would appreciate if each alliance leader would send me their members number.

I'll be taking screenshot captures of each page on the fleet rank boards. These will be the numbers I use to determine how many points are awarded for a successful strike. Everyone should keep in mind that I will need battle reports for all attacks including resource strikes only.

Each day I will try and post the scores but it will ultimately be subject to my availability. I will provide an email to each alliance leader so they can send it to me so I can keep a running record just in case there's a question on points.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: STONKER on September 22, 2017, 05:39:02 PM
Looking forward to the start now
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 22, 2017, 06:53:54 PM
Hope everyone is. Its been a while since we've had one so it will be good to get a rumble going again.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 22, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
WOW Stonker ... How much did you pay for VJ's Account ? Surprised she quit really
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 22, 2017, 09:31:41 PM
He said there are a few players shuffling accounts right now
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: SilentBob on September 23, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
In the pilot for this tourney between HOD and Pilgrims, there was non-combatant status and anyone attacked in that list caused the attacker's alliance to forfeit.

Is this happening again?
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 10:44:21 AM
That's a good question. I hadn't planned on implementing that rule for the full tournament.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 01:31:02 PM
Good morning -

The field is set with 6 alliances participating - Pilgrims, Based On, Time, COLD, BAD and HOD. The tournament will consist of 2 Free for All Rounds. The top 4 scoring alliances with advance to the final round. In final round, whoever scores the most points comes in 1st and so on. Each round will be 3 weeks in duration.

War Invites are as follow:

Pilgrims sends invites to -
Based On, Time & Cold

Based On sends invites to -
Time, COLD & BAD

TIME sends invites to -
COLD, BAD & HOD

COLD sends invites to -
BAD & HOD

BAD sends invites to -
HOD & Pilgrims

HOD sends invites to -
Pilgrims & Based On

War details should be maximum points allowed. In-actives do not count. No diplomacy rate (i.e. 10 active players). All leaders shouldn't accept war request until 9/24 8:01pm (EST) / 9/25 00:01 (GT). If a war hit results in ending a war whichever war alliance won needs to send another immediately (24hr max). Failure to do so will result in points (2500) being awarded to the losing alliance. Arrangements can be made for a different resumption upon agreement between the respective alliances.

Please loop me into those conversations so I'm aware.

Player fleet strengths will be assessed at noon (EST). These values I'll post and will be used to determine ratios of all attacks.

Thanks,
Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 04:14:17 PM
Ladies & Gents -

Here is the raw data for the top 400 that will be used to calculate points awarded for each successful strike. Next post will be the next set.

Rayman

NOTE - Just updated with Fleet strength from Leader board. Original number posting used incorrect stats. (6pm - 9/23)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
Next group of raw data (Fleet str - 401 thru 800) -

NOTE - Just updated with Fleet strength from Leader board. Original number posting used incorrect stats. (6pm - 9/23)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 04:17:38 PM
Fleet strength raw data 801-1000. Please note if there are any players below a fleet strength rank below 1000 will use 1m ships for their calculations.

Rayman

NOTE - Just updated with Fleet strength from Leader board. Original number posting used incorrect stats. (6pm - 9/23)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 23, 2017, 06:29:18 PM
I want to clarify something i've seen happen before. Are people allowed to launch so that attack lands as tourney starts ??
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 07:59:04 PM
You absolutely can. You just need to time it to land after its been accepted. All wars are suppose to start at 8:01pm but sometimes they are delayed by a few minutes
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 23, 2017, 08:18:40 PM
Can you post current rules so we are all aware
Thanks
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 08:37:58 PM
Here are the basics -

The following Tactics will lead to a Forfeit:
        a.   Resource Dumping;
        b.   Tag Dropping while under attack;
        c.   Unwelcome group defend (Clarified further down); and
        d.   Bribing Alliance players to take a dive; (added it at the request of several players).
                  i.   *Note: Someone being accused of bribing is not automatically in the wrong.  Proof needs to be presented to all Alliance leaders.  Once the proof is examined a ruling will be made. In the event of a tie an impartial judge will make the final ruling. Judge is TBD but someone not involved in the tournament.

Unwelcome group Defend
If the joiner is from a different alliance in the tournament then:
•   That person's alliance will forfeit all of their Round Robin wars OR forfeits their round they are in.
•   The Battle will be recalculated to determine the points that should have been awarded using Battlementat. Unfortunately it will then be on those 2 fighting alliance leaders to keep track of their points manually. The war continues until one side acquires enough points to win outright
•   If the Battle would have resulted in a victory for either side then the losing side will surrender to grant victory to the winning alliance.
If the joiner is from a different alliance not in the tournament then:
•   The Battle will be recalculated to determine the points that should have be awarded using Battlementat. Unfortunately it will then be on those 2 fighting alliance leaders to keep track of their points manually. The war continues until one side acquires enough points to win outright.
•   If the Battle would have resulted in a victory for either side then the losing side will surrender to grant victory to the winning alliance.
•   Alliance leaders are responsible for conveying & emphasizing this rule and the consequences if it’s violated. Alliance leaders needing Clarification are to contact Scott Antichow or Vashanka via PM here on the boards.

Rayman
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 23, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
And how long do alliances get to assemble a team? Maybe you should add that people cannot join in last 12 hours as its like bending the rules to try to get unfair advantage.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 23, 2017, 11:01:02 PM
Well I'm not sure how people could gain an advantage by joining right before the start but I'm willing to add a rule that nobody is allowed to join the tournament unless approved by all alliances.

Would that work for you all?
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 24, 2017, 12:18:47 AM
Because then you dont have the locations in open parser.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 24, 2017, 01:46:26 AM
We are still waiting on 2 players to come over, launclot and grim the dread recyler
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 24, 2017, 02:10:38 AM
We hit 10, got roznowsky still waiting on 2 I mentioned earlier
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 24, 2017, 02:27:02 AM
Good news regarding the 10. In regards to the locations, wouldn't you have it shortly there after?
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 24, 2017, 02:54:05 AM
Only counting 7 active pilgrims rayman tut tut.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 24, 2017, 03:04:32 AM
Well there are suppose to be quite a few coming out of d-mode. Need to prompt them those who said they would. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 24, 2017, 03:06:54 AM
Here's who is suppose to be active -

Rayman
Flinx
DOR
TK
Idan
Crazy Ivan
Jericho
Panco
Thor
Imad
WGW
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Commander imad on September 24, 2017, 04:01:45 AM
Coming out of d mode after months of hibernation..lol
Hope I remember how to play...hmmm whats this red button do ?
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 24, 2017, 10:55:54 AM
Same here pal. Welcome bk.  ;D
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Rayman of HV on September 24, 2017, 12:21:37 PM
Imad is coming out of d-mode along with a couple of others but it won't get out until Monday just so everyone knows.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 24, 2017, 02:37:23 PM
Cold is up and running, looking forward to meeting you guys on the battlefield, good luck to all happy hunting
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Treakle the Sweet on September 24, 2017, 03:13:56 PM
Time added one final combatant a few hours ago.  We have more than 10.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Wedge Antilles on September 24, 2017, 03:59:53 PM
People who are in d mode should not be allowed to comment on here, much less complain or critque another alliance's participation. But I guess that is all some people can do.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 24, 2017, 04:01:36 PM
Well why dont you do 1 then? Because theres no wedgey playing in this uni let alone this tourny. Freak.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 24, 2017, 05:20:53 PM
lol tourney isnt even started and here we go. Good luck and may the best team win :)
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Brer Rabbit on September 24, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
Roflmao ... Mr P gonna be sloppy now he aint got mama ( VJ ) to hold his hand anymore
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Sgt Patriot on September 25, 2017, 02:52:18 AM
Because then you dont have the locations in open parser.

It doesn't matter you can't parse certain system anyways like the crew in 3:300
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Megatron on September 25, 2017, 10:10:06 AM
YOU CANNOT IF YOUR IN THE SAME SYSTEM
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Sgt Patriot on September 26, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
YOU CANNOT IF YOUR IN THE SAME SYSTEM

1. WOW really NO KIDDING Sherlock where did you park your squad car. Had you bothered to look you would have seen I'm NOT in that system. You can lead a robot to an oil bath but can't make him bath in it.

2. HAD you looked you'd have seen a number of planets there with ........... after the planet names. Now had you looked and then bothered to compare the results of open parser at a player level for that area to what is really there. You would have seen that there is a difference listed in for example the alliance they are in.

3. So if it can not be parsed the players utilizing such names on their planets are beating the Parser. They could move the planet to a different system. An as long as one planet remains in that system with that style name the moved planet will remain listed in the parser as well.

4. How do I know you ask? Prove it you say, very well I will. For my test I added said ........... to my Heph's name it was last seen.

Heph Location       Time Seen
[8:295:11h]       03-11-2017 17:00:35

Six months worth of testing was the plan and it proved correct. I have since removed the .......... from the Heph's name and it now sits at [13:25:11]

5. So if the player moves the planet and parser can't parse the system because of the name it will not parse the new location and said player has found a way to beat the system which means they are doing what ?? It's generally know as __________ you fill in the blank.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 27, 2017, 12:13:50 AM
Hi, Sarge,

Open Parser isn't a BFG application, so taking advantage of weaknesses in the app isn't cheating.

What we need to do is ensure that Matt is aware of the issue.  If he decides to fix it in Open Parser, that's super!  If he decides to not fix it, that's okay, too. 

Just some random thoughts from here on in this note, really in no way connected to the previous discussion.

We've collectively benefited from a lot of free labor that was made public.  Best examples include:

In the case of the first one, I know that Eljer isn't maintaining those anymore, although I've seen privately-maintained instances of some of his scripts.
For Battle Mentat, I think that Fat Buddha has pretty much stopped doing anything to that.
Matt keeps adding new unis to Open Parser, I don't know if he makes code fixes.

Be that as it may, I thank all of these fellows for their effort and helping us extend the fun we've gotten from this game.  For example, Fat Buddha donated BM's Large Battle Algorithm to BFG.  If he hadn't done that...  wow.  Any fleet engagement involving more than about a million ships would be a total crapshoot, with respect to how SFC would have calculated the results.  These games would have been dead about 4 years ago, if not for him.

Thanks to Eljer and others for giving us a much more usable SFC UI!

Thanks to Matt for an app I use most every day!

Kudos, kudos to you guys.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Sgt Patriot on September 27, 2017, 04:46:52 AM
Admiral T-Wayne sorry but I don't agree.

Boris leader of the now defunct KBF was of the same attitude when he cheated plugging in a negative ship number and got tons of res in return. Granted that was a BFG, bug but splitting hairs between BFG and other scripts we have all come to rely on, to justify it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Bulgarian Teal on September 28, 2017, 12:40:19 AM
I agree with the Admiral.

Using a little diligence and brain power, you can defeat those "Black Holes". It just takes some Time and a little work.
Title: Re: One final farewell tournament...
Post by: Dead Zone on September 28, 2017, 07:07:34 AM
I for one appreciate the time others have invested in this game to give me 8 years of fun