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Ship Discussion
« on: April 25, 2015, 08:00:16 PM »
Which of the non-original ships do people think would do good in an Eradeon setting, save maybe a couple tweaks for some that need it? Real discussion, no flaming lol, pros and cons of each

Thanatos
Curetes
Pallas
Empusa
Moros
Erebus
Triton
Mantus
Vortex
Magnon
Typhoon
Cirrus

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2015, 08:16:18 PM »
I'm a big fan of curetes they are one of the best ships in the game in my opinion but they are very pricey when it comes to hydro thans are strong but slow as f and I don't really know any of the other ships lol
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Commander Ratpick-[No alliance] 1,408,295,575 DSP
Sardaukar-[BYOB] 2,865,823,634 DSP
Galvatron-[TRQ] 51,124,601,264
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2015, 11:09:47 PM »
Thanatos
Nothing inherently wrong with this ship.

Curetes
This ship is broken in any setting, but even more so in an eradeon setting.

Pallas
This ship doesn't really have a use without space mines. And even with them, it isn't all that useful. Still, it can't hurt the game to include it.

Empusa
This ship has always been a waste of resources.

Moros
If this ship were cheapened to cost about the same as Curetes, it would unbreak Curetes and be a useful ship in its own right. In any case, it isn't a ship that can overly screw with the game balance.

Erebus
This ship has always been a waste of resources.

Triton
This ship is even more broken than Curetes. It is a horrible ship to have in a uni without npc income, because it introduces npc income.

Mantus
I thought this ship was rather cool. I think its rf would need a slight adjustment downwards though.

Vortex
Another broken ship. The Vortex renders all cargo and inferior fighter craft as obsolete.

Magnon
This ship is rather interesting. I think it would be ok to see it in other uni's.

Typhoon
This is basically just a slightly souped up Poseidon.

Cirrus
Being the most difficult ship to amass in large quantities, it is hard to properly analyse this ship.
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2015, 12:07:59 AM »
Thanatos
Agreed.

Curetes
Definitely very powerful, but in an eradeon, there won't be any NPC oriented fleets, so a higher amount of fighters could be made (including Erebus) and Moros could counter them , and Prometheus as they would fare much better in bringing them down than hades or athenas, the current ships of choice. You'd have to build your fleet to take them out but not too hard

Pallas
In an eradeon setting there might be a lot more space mines from extra hydro for mine defense, so some would need to be included in attacks in case of insta defense builds

Empusa
Anti Curetes Device ;)

Moros
They are a lil costly but if made at 170% than the amount of athenas you have they might prove more effective against curetes, and if you build high amounts of fighters (1 Athena costs 15 Artemis) they might survive better

Erebus
In an eradeon setting, if you have high amounts of fighters they might do better, I know many have said they're a nightmare on an NPC even with high thans in conquest

Triton
Easy fix, cant steal NPC ships

Mantus
Agreed completely, defenses should not have rapid fire, and 20 against missile batteries is a bit much lol

Vortex
True, maybe if they were chimed down a little, but I didn't play with them enough in guns

Magnon
Yes, I'd love to see these, but change the RF from missile batteries to something else, we have too many anti missile battery ships already, they'd never be useful

Typhoon
Still useful though if it could be made as simply as a Poseidon, though changed up a lil bit would be nice, maybe anti a different defense than missiles

Cirrus
Take away defense rf against them and they'd be one of my favorites just cause


Just putting up counter opinions and possible tweaks
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 12:43:53 AM »
I tried making this look less confrontational. Please don't take anything the wrong way. I just don't know how to put it less bluntly. :(

Curetes
Tell me why I should build anything else? They are incredibly cheap, nothing kills them, and you can spit hundreds out in no time. Neither Erebus nor Moros nor Prometheus can match them. You literally build them faster than Erebus, and the shields are so powerful (especially with E), that even Thanatos get owned by them. They are broken in every sense of the word. The only thing they can't do is kill a Heph.

Pallas
As yet there aren't space mines in a E uni, with the exception of HG. In HG Pallas are useless because you can build mines with a Foundry, which you can't do with Pallas.
If you made Pallas a foundry-based ship and brought space mines in they would have a use. But nukes would still be far more effective, and Curetes as well. Pallas are just too slow and vulnerable. They are like a knockoff version of an Ares. A little bit cheaper, but less versatile and slow.

Empusa
Not at all useful against Curetes. Especially since they are incapable of defending and suicide themselves in the first round of an attack. You're better off building Curetes.

Moros
Make them cost the same as Curetes and they will counter Curetes. Otherwise they are just a slightly faster-than-Prometheus Heph killing ship. If I can build 100 Curetes in the time it takes to build 1 Moros, then they don't counter Curetes.

Erebus
The stats are too low though. Conquest doesn't have E, and E is a big deal.

Erebus
Hull Rating   625 +31.25 per E level
Shield Rating 20 + 1
Weapons Rating 20 (60) + 1 (3)

Curetes
Hull Rating   400 +20
Shield Rating 1800 +90
Weapons Rating   100 +5

For each E or aws level, Curetes gets more than ten times as much benefit as Erebus, and Curetes takes less time to build. Anyone who spends a moderate amount of $ per month will literally have massive swarms of Curetes in no time. Noone building Erebus or Moros can ever keep up.
It is certainly true that in equal RSP, Moros will obliterate Curetes in a round or two. But you can never achieve equal RSP except against players already well below you in rank.

Triton
That could work. Not sure it's an easy fix (technically speaking), but if it is I can certainly see it being unbroken by such a stipulation.

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 05:10:54 AM »
the erebus is a good ship and counters the curetes just fine. No reason to not include it just because a few idiots who think they know everything don't know how to use it.

The Erebus is a crappy ship that in no way can counter the Curetes. Grace is simply an idiot incapable of the most basic of math.
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2015, 02:56:31 PM »
Ok fine, let's limit the game to the limits of your understanding and call everyone an idiot who knows better. No harm done, I suppose  8)

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2015, 05:48:15 PM »
lol You just cant get through to you!

No you can't get through to me. I'm not willing to fry enough brain cells to get on your level, so you'll never be able to convince me you're anywhere near as good as you think you are.

Always respond with a load of hostile vitriol.

Pot, meet kettle.

I disagree with you. This is a fact.

No way, really? I somehow never noticed you stalking me around the forum, trying to start arguments everywhere.

Oh wait...

Ship choice is preference and a matter of playing around with fleet composition - know the difference.

Math is math, and mathematic fact trumps personal opinion every single time.

If you want to respond with fallacies, vitriol and hostility toward something you cant get your head around then fill your boots. You are the top poster on the forum and no-one is beating you in that any time soon.

Quite a lot of projection in one paragraph. Too bad for you that it is painfully obvious that you just described yourself perfectly.
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2015, 07:34:44 PM »
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there, that'll do  8)


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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2015, 07:55:52 PM »

hahahah you couldn't make you up

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2015, 08:57:03 PM »
ok now  you two need to  settle this in a different thread how about a troll out thread
together we are a powerful force as one mind body and soul let no evil enter nor attempt to reduce us because of the beliefs we hold and with this love combined with our strength we ward off pain and stress technician I am wholeheartedly in life and in death

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my victims MUHAHAA
SpartanBlob [BYOB] 3,400,560,000 DSP
Bad Monkey [TRQ] 24,941,965,860 DSP.
The Undertaker-[D12] 8,190,887,465
The machine-[FF]-14,922,637,738
Anomander-[TRQ] 2,608,073,370 DSP
Commander Ratpick-[No alliance] 1,408,295,575 DSP
Sardaukar-[BYOB] 2,865,823,634 DSP
Galvatron-[TRQ] 51,124,601,264
Firmwisdom- [SS] 1,210,754,693 DSP
Painbringer-[BYOB] 782,746,870 DSP
King Godzilla [SS]-294,796,422 DSP

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2015, 10:50:42 PM »
how about you mind your own business and stop butting into other peoples conversations

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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2015, 11:15:05 PM »
how about you mind your own business and stop butting into other peoples conversations
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Re: Ship Discussion
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2015, 01:58:53 AM »
that time of the month Eh sorry couldn't resist a two fer
together we are a powerful force as one mind body and soul let no evil enter nor attempt to reduce us because of the beliefs we hold and with this love combined with our strength we ward off pain and stress technician I am wholeheartedly in life and in death

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4    Grand Admiral Twisted Insane T9‎    INQ    116,289,801,391

my victims MUHAHAA
SpartanBlob [BYOB] 3,400,560,000 DSP
Bad Monkey [TRQ] 24,941,965,860 DSP.
The Undertaker-[D12] 8,190,887,465
The machine-[FF]-14,922,637,738
Anomander-[TRQ] 2,608,073,370 DSP
Commander Ratpick-[No alliance] 1,408,295,575 DSP
Sardaukar-[BYOB] 2,865,823,634 DSP
Galvatron-[TRQ] 51,124,601,264
Firmwisdom- [SS] 1,210,754,693 DSP
Painbringer-[BYOB] 782,746,870 DSP
King Godzilla [SS]-294,796,422 DSP

 

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