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Season Two Archive / Clarification of rules please.
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:58:40 PM »
I did submit a ticket, but because you refuse to take any action on the matter I feel the need to post it here. Where you can clarify in public. I was cursed at, and called a several unacceptable things. This player does it to me all the time, and was suspended for it in the past. But apparently that isnt enough to enforce the rules this time...

Starfleet Commander

    We can't monitor every alliance board. We leave it to the alliance to police themselves. If you are uncomfortable with the way an alliance is run or what is being posted on their alliance boards you have the option to leave the alliance.

    Blue Frog Gaming Support

February 12, 2013 11:30

Verbal Abuse
All conversations, including, but not limited to, private messages, alliance forum posts, and planet names, must be civil. Verbal abuse in messaging, even private messages, will not be tolerated

Players in violation of this rule will be suspended with increasing penalties for each violation. The general penalties for violation of this rule will be a warning (at the discretion of Blue Frog Gaming), 3 day suspension, 7 day suspension, and then indefinite suspension.

Season Two Archive / How to tell if your fleet is unbalanced.
« on: December 27, 2012, 03:59:17 PM »
Someone's SHIPS:
* Hermes Class Probe: 122,632
* Artemis Class Fighter: 3
* Atlas Class Cargo: 1,500
* Apollo Class Fighter: 30
* Zagreus Class Recycler: 3
* Charon Class Transport: 10
* Hercules Class Cargo: 200
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 2
* Curetes Class Cruiser: 7,460
* Poseidon Class Cruiser: 25
* Carmanor Class Cargo: 960
* Pallas Class Bomber: 20
* Gaia Class Colony Ship: 2
* Athena Class Battleship: 125
* Ares Class Bomber: 540
* Hades Class Battleship: 300
* Prometheus Class Destroyer: 70
* Thanatos Class Destroyer: 4

Any observations? Or did you just have the unluck to be attacked without the means of fleetsaving? It is a nice defense, do you use them all? 
;) Either way it makes all smile inside  ;)

Feature Suggestions / Moros class "fighter"? Not really.
« on: November 30, 2012, 06:16:16 PM »
Hey there BFG,

Been playing for awhile, and I noticed something extremely misleading... the Moros class "fighter" has a base hull of 4,500 and a speed of 7,500. Now the problem is, that the Moros is in no way a "fighter", it is an assault-cruiser or battle-cruiser. It is slow, heavily armored, and with a lot of big nasty guns.

To back up my point I humbly point out that the Poseidon is a "cruiser", has base 2700 hull, and goes twice the speed of the moros "fighter" (and indeed the other fighters as well)

Personally with this new class, the Poseidon looks more like a frigate (Hercules anyone?), but that isn't the point, cruisers are bigger then frigates and fighters. And the Moros is bigger then the only cruiser class ship currently in the game.

So, long story short, can we rename it to the Moros class Assault-cruiser or Moros class battle-cruiser? It is silly to call it a "fighter".

General Starfleet Discussion / That awkward moment...
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:22:58 PM »
That awkward moment when you've been planning for downtime since it popped up on your screen and all the sudden it doesn't happen...I've been around since early universe 1, I know the downtime was usually off by 10-15 minutes at times, but it was 45minutes in and I didn't notice anything. Two hours for less then 45 minutes? (I didn't notice any down time at all to be honest, I went to go eat and then to check the "white screen of downtime")

I don't see a post related to it, so I'm just here with my hands... folded accross my lap, yeah folded... wondering if the message meant anything at all or if your just trying to give us the royal salute?

Starfleet Commander Original, Universe 2, and Nova will be offline Tuesday, September 18, 2012 from 17:00UTC to 19:00UTC (game time) for scheduled maintenance. All tasks, including resource production, missions, and attacks, will continue to run while the server is offline. If additional news becomes available regarding this maintenance it will be posted on the forum.

Whats up with that matt?

Battle Reports / EMPIRE BATTLE REPORT: 3.8 million in debris.
« on: April 19, 2012, 06:22:48 PM »
THE EMPIRE led an attack on Law Hog

The following emerged from battle after 6 Round(s)

*****Attacker: Nova1 with 2,410,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Curetes : 9 (Lost: 1 of 10)
Poseidon : 10
Athena : 33
** Resources lost: 2,000 ore, 2,000 crystal, and 10,000 hydrogen.

*****Attacker: Number 11 with 9,686,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Artemis : 196 (Lost: 74 of 270)
Apollo : 57 (Lost: 13 of 70)
Empusa : 0 (Lost: 64 of 64)
Curetes : 24
Poseidon : 25 (Lost: 2 of 27)
Athena : 43 (Lost: 1 of 44)
Hades : 44
** Resources lost: 417,000 ore, 135,500 crystal, and 484,000 hydrogen.

*****Attacker: Iceman with 6,709,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Empusa : 0 (Lost: 45 of 45)
Poseidon : 68 (Lost: 3 of 71)
Athena : 29
Hades : 30
** Resources lost: 82,500 ore, 21,000 crystal, and 343,500 hydrogen.

*****Attacker: xXxAPUxXx with 29,656,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Artemis : 1197 (Lost: 402 of 1599)
Empusa : 0 (Lost: 400 of 400)
Curetes : 836 (Lost: 22 of 858)
Poseidon : 12
Athena : 117
Hades : 8
** Resources lost: 1,450,000 ore, 446,000 crystal, and 3,220,000 hydrogen.

*****Defender: Law Hog with 13,649,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Hermes : 0 (Lost: 77 of 77)
Helios : 0 (Lost: 46 of 46)
Artemis : 0 (Lost: 1002 of 1002)
Atlas : 0 (Lost: 49 of 49)
Apollo : 0 (Lost: 30 of 30)
Zagreus : 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Charon : 0 (Lost: 2 of 2)
Hercules : 0 (Lost: 17 of 17)
Empusa : 0 (Lost: 4 of 4)
Dionysus : 0 (Lost: 8 of 8 )
Curetes : 0 (Lost: 20 of 20)
Poseidon : 0 (Lost: 14 of 14)
Carmanor : 0 (Lost: 10 of 10)
Pallas : 0 (Lost: 3 of 3)
Athena : 0 (Lost: 20 of 20)
Ares : 0 (Lost: 10 of 10)
Hades : 0 (Lost: 21 of 21)
Prometheus : 0 (Lost: 7 of 7)

Thanatos : 1
Missile : 0 (Lost: 555 of 555)
Laser : 0 (Lost: 251 of 251)
Space mine : 0 (Lost: 25 of 25)
Pulse : 0 (Lost: 55 of 55)
Particle : 0 (Lost: 30 of 30)
Decoy : 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0 (Lost: 20 of 20)
Large decoy: 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Plasma : 0 (Lost: 5 of 5)

** Ship Resources lost: 6,506,000 ore, 3,600,500 crystal, and 892,500 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 9,105,000 ore, 4,626,000 crystal, and 1,157,500 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Base (multiply by Attacker RSP / Defender RSP * 0.5): max 6,613
** Max DSP: 6,613 ** Min DSP: 661

After 6 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 0 resources.

2,537,250 ore and 1,265,700 crystal are now floating at this location.

A moon did form from the wreckage.


Battle Reports / 61,542,900 ore and 36,552,750 crystal are now floating
« on: November 22, 2010, 05:58:38 AM »
LunarAvenger led an attack on Crazy Cronyn at Blue Moon
The following emerged from battle after 4 rounds:

*****Attacker: LunarAvenger*****
Artemis: 8111 (Lost: 2594)
Apollo: 937 (Lost: 238)
Charon: 0 (Lost: 1)
Poseidon: 470 (Lost: 30)
Athena: 1057 (Lost: 4)
Hades: 516
Prometheus: 538
** Resources lost: 9,994,000 ore, 3,463,000 crystal, and 61,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 157,184

*****Attacker: Alex 77*****
Artemis: 18571 (Lost: 6014)
Poseidon: 950 (Lost: 75)
Athena: 1707 (Lost: 9)
Ares: 517 (Lost: 1)
Hades: 1936 (Lost: 1)
Prometheus: 2220 (Lost: 1)
** Resources lost: 20,087,000 ore, 6,789,000 crystal, and 195,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 157,184

*****Defender: Crazy Cronyn*****
Hermes: 0 (Lost: 35)
Artemis: 0 (Lost: 7764)
Atlas: 0 (Lost: 661)
Apollo: 0 (Lost: 387)
Hercules: 0 (Lost: 792)
Dionysus: 0 (Lost: 404)
Poseidon: 0 (Lost: 866)
Athena: 0 (Lost: 718)
Ares: 0 (Lost: 516)
Hades: 0 (Lost: 736)
Prometheus: 0 (Lost: 667)
** Ship Resources lost: 173,258,000 ore, 109,786,500 crystal, and 31,325,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 173,258,000 ore, 109,786,500 crystal, and 31,325,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 40,589

The attacking side acquired 3,534,404 ore, 925,182 crystal, and 3,585,465 hydrogen.
61,542,900 ore and 36,552,750 crystal are now floating at this location.

Battle Reports / The battle Charon Fleet causes 84 million debris.
« on: November 14, 2010, 09:03:37 PM »
LunarAvenger led an attack on Proxy at Proxymus EyedBy Gladiator
The following emerged from battle after 6 rounds:

*****Attacker: LunarAvenger*****
Hermes: 0  (Lost: 1)
Artemis: 9501  (Lost: 8499)
Apollo: 1096  (Lost: 615)
Charon: 1
Poseidon: 576  (Lost: 147)
Athena: 1021  (Lost: 110)
Ares: 99  (Lost: 1)
Hades: 520  (Lost: 37)
Prometheus: 513  (Lost: 37)
** Resources lost: 40,457,000 ore, 16,071,500 crystal, and 1,419,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 116,886

*****Attacker: Burty*****
Artemis: 628  (Lost: 561)
Charon: 97  (Lost: 64)
Poseidon: 172  (Lost: 33)
Athena: 517  (Lost: 59)
Ares: 125  (Lost: 6)
Hades: 516  (Lost: 38)
Prometheus: 146  (Lost: 8)
** Resources lost: 7,174,000 ore, 4,003,000 crystal, and 910,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 116,886

*****Defender: Proxy*****
Hermes: 0  (Lost: 225)
Helios: 0  (Lost: 36)
Artemis: 0  (Lost: 6162)
Atlas: 0  (Lost: 21)
Apollo: 0  (Lost: 121)
Hercules: 0  (Lost: 1384)
Dionysus: 0  (Lost: 198)
Poseidon: 0  (Lost: 1170)
Gaia: 0  (Lost: 1)
Athena: 0  (Lost: 347)
Ares: 0  (Lost: 64)
Hades: 0  (Lost: 85)
Prometheus: 0  (Lost: 718)
Zeus: 0  (Lost: 3)
Pulse: 0  (Lost: 156)
** Ship Resources lost: 132,393,000 ore, 82,610,500 crystal, and 18,769,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 133,329,000 ore, 82,922,500 crystal, and 18,769,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 70,034

The attacking side acquired 1,844,773 ore, 1,100,000 crystal, and 482,230 hydrogen.
Some of the enemy's defenses were rebuilt.
54,007,200 ore and 30,810,000 crystal are now floating at this location.
There was a 20.0% chance that a moon would form from the debris.
However, no moon formed.
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Off-Topic / Kristallnacht, anniversary
« on: November 11, 2010, 07:03:00 PM »
Perhaps I should move...

Seventy-two years ago, on November 9th-10th, 1938, German Jews and their assets were attacked throughout Germany in an event known as the Crystal Night.

This old kind of fascism is dead in the country - at least in the mainstream - but other kinds of fascisms are only beginning to thrive. To commemorate the anniversary, the Green fascists in the Parliament have launched an assault against all German climate realists

A letter not too tastefully titled "Deniers of climate change in the coalition government" (it used to be "Jewish elite spoiling the Aryan lives") signed by the whole Parliamentary faction of the Greater Green Party was sent to the government one week ago.

In the letter, the green people complain that the influence of climate skepticism is rising in the U.S. as well as Germany where some people even dare to listen to Fred Singer. Imagine the crime! ;-)

Watts up with that??
no tricks zone report

Battle Reports / Oh yeah, 33 million debris.
« on: November 10, 2010, 09:14:27 PM »
LunarAvenger led an attack on dragonwing at Pepper Jack
The following emerged from battle after 4 rounds:

*****Attacker: LunarAvenger*****
Artemis: 12229  (Lost: 2771)
Apollo: 1674  (Lost: 326)
Poseidon: 659  (Lost: 41)
Athena: 902  (Lost: 3)
Hades: 550
** Resources lost: 11,224,000 ore, 3,918,000 crystal, and 82,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 101,141

*****Defender: dragonwing*****
Hermes: 0  (Lost: 99)
Artemis: 0  (Lost: 22)
Atlas: 0  (Lost: 196)
Apollo: 0  (Lost: 37)
Hercules: 0  (Lost: 173)
Dionysus: 0  (Lost: 111)
Poseidon: 0  (Lost: 258)
Athena: 0  (Lost: 787)
Ares: 0  (Lost: 16)
Hades: 0  (Lost: 84)
Prometheus: 0  (Lost: 260)
Laser: 0  (Lost: 116)
Decoy: 0  (Lost: 1)
** Ship Resources lost: 62,323,000 ore, 32,680,500 crystal, and 6,138,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 62,507,000 ore, 32,748,500 crystal, and 6,138,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 15,224

The attacking side acquired 40,581 ore, 49,928 crystal, and 126,675 hydrogen.
Some of the enemy's defenses were rebuilt.
22,064,100 ore and 10,979,550 crystal are now floating at this location.


Fleet reconstruction is well underway since my total fleet being wiped out and taking 3 months of V mode.

Support Rulings / The420Pengiun
« on: November 09, 2010, 10:41:45 AM »
Quote from: "Ptonjalken"
Please keep this out of this post in respect to the OP, if you wish to discuss it further - create another topic.
Done. Here it is. Don't Lock it.  :?

Anyway I can look at the deleted threads?

Quote from: "Big S"
Ummmm, so this person waited all this time till the very day Penguin gets perma-banned, and then sets out on a crusade to discredit Penguin, but didn't do this before now. And this person sees fit to do it after the perma-ban, thus making this whole strategem completely pointless. Nice theory.

Last time Penguin got banned by Matt, he did the EXACT same thing for several days. I suppose it was that same person with the grudge back then too.

Your other defense is weak. You've never seen him insult people except those times in those threads where he insulted people. Mmmm-kay.

Maybe he is a personal friend of yours, and if so, tell him to grow up. Don't reflexively defend someone who is acting like a child, with equally fantastic theories of who could be impersonating him at his hour of dire peril.

Well we know that if matt got annoyed enough he would delete an account permanently.

And yes perhaps his record isnt spotless, neither is mine when it comes to the forum. And mine was worse then the420pengiun's little petty things. I still have my first and original account on the forum.

I wasnt here for however many times he has gotten banned or not. (I was in V mode for a few months, most people thought I had quit)

Your attack is pointless, I've seen him tell pton to (yeah I am not repeating that), but to anyone else it was pretty much in a thread labeled "terrorists" or some other dangerous topic where everyone risks flamewars. He did try to keep arguments (logical not civil) in rational form. And he would insult people not following a logical argument. I know I was in one of the threads.

Not so fantastic when it is true. Listed arguement will be at the bottem.
Quote from: "Callum roberts"
Quote from: "LunarAvenger"
there was a thread somewhere calling darkset something nasty, and there are a few posts the weren't deleted here and there... but it didnt seem like pengi to me.
If it wasn't pengy I'm sure he would have had someone say by now

this of all things should be proof enough

i never once asked to be in your interviews.

if people cant tell me from the other people posting.. i guess i cant do anything to show them

That count? What about me?
Quote from: "Bravicus"
these recent accounts were the 420 penguin.  I suspect darkset pm'ed him and more or less told him to shut up and then pengy said what he said about dark.

But yeah the 420roadrunner was pengy and there may have been one or two copycats but all the posts fit his style.

Darkset wanna confirm that? Otherwise I am going to ignore Bravicus as talking out of his... for the first part.

Quote from: "dictionary"
    * S: (n) copycat, imitator, emulator, ape, aper (someone who copies the words or behavior of another)
Of course someone would imitate him, but the bad aspects. Pengy doesnt set off to get his accounts on the forum banned. This is a distinction. An important one too.

Quote from: "Master"
Pengy told me on skype that deer is him as well as the posts match his vocabulary and sentence structure. The other account could very well be fakes though.

Vocabulary: You mean he speaks English and uses a spell checker?

Quote from: "Athena"
Quote from: "the420beaver"
do I get a special part in the second interveiw?

Only if Matt wants that, but Penguin, Honey, you have gone past being cute and thought-provoking and into the realm of pesky and annoying.

That is sad really.
Maybe it is time to go back to the Mafia Boss forum, your groupies can follow you there, and the adults can stay here and have discussions.

this of all things should be proof enough

i never once asked to be in your interviews.

if people cant tell me from the other people posting.. i guess i cant do anything to show them

Pengy doesn't want an interview.
The threads last night weren't provocative, they were everything possible to get banned.

Quote from: "Big S"
Is he IP banned yet?

Quote from: "LunarAvenger"
Quote from: "2$Bill"
Quote from: "Callum roberts"
he was going off of his cell phone which has a rotating IP address.  That was how he got around it the first time.

Or just using an internet proxy... there are like 50 thousand of them. Which still means it could be anyone who hates him.
I don't know anyone around here who hates him. Just plenty who are annoyed by his juvenile antics.

Obviously someone does... :(

Quote from: "2$Bill"
he admitted in the past that he used his cell phone to make the proxy.

Common knowledge, now if you had access to idk this site?
Punch in the word Proxy into Goggle and this is top pick... A few thousand proxies.

Quote from: "the420beaver"
hmmm i take it back, f**k you. I dont wanna help you anymore.
Quote from: "the420panther"

Intentional, trying to get banned.
Difference? This would serve Pengy no purpose, and only get him in trouble.

Anyone can register with the420animalname (before today)
-After the extreme account was suspended, I saw an account "the420loses" this is not in pattern of the animals. It sounds more like someone trying to gloat.
-This all happened before the new registration rules.

Actual proof that it was him?
a.The name? See above.

b.The style, I argue that it wasn't his style.
b1. Pengy doesnt set off to get his accounts on the forum banned. A distinction.
b2. Negative aspects displayed last night: random links to videos, insulting the active admin (pton), insulting random players, insulting the CEO, double posting... etc. Pointless, not his style. Posting controversy? more in style with Pengy.
b3. It seems that a lot of posts were malicious, pengy isnt malicious... perhaps controversial, but not malicious.

c. Rotating IPAddresses? Please that isnt evidence.
c1. 50 thousand free web proxy sites, anyone can imitate pengy with a different IPaddresses.
Quote from: "Big S"
Ummmm, so this person waited all this time till the very day Penguin gets perma-banned, and then sets out on a crusade to discredit Penguin, but didn't do this before now. And this person sees fit to do it after the perma-ban, thus making this whole strategem completely pointless. Nice theory.

Quote from: "I reply"
It is actually, do something a little out of line "as pengiun" and then discredit him completely.
Step 1. Get him banned, say by pissing off matt and pton.
Step 2. Keep annoying them, as long as possible. (which was until the new account rules were added)

Result 1. Forum ban = no self defense.
Result 2. In extreme ban? Oh joy.
Result 3. Discredit Pengy = no self defense possible.
Side result 1. New account rules = no defense ever.

Seems to be working perfectly.
I will be back in a few hours to see what gets posted here.
For a final note, He said it wasn't him. I believe him.

this of all things should be proof enough
i never once asked to be in your interviews.
if people cant tell me from the other people posting.. i guess i cant do anything to show them

Battle Reports / Quadruple Zeus Take Out in G1
« on: October 27, 2010, 02:04:49 PM »
So I decided to look around for something other then a minor farm... and lo and behold.  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:






Feature Suggestions / I come out of V mode and see all this nonsense...
« on: October 21, 2010, 05:12:27 AM »
Who else hates the new (n) mode rules?!

I fail to see how it helps? Now noobs can get even bigger before I smash them for not fleetsaving properly. And this will help them stay in the game how?

This is how I observe it in practice.

1. new player joins, is protected, can only be attack by other noobs.
2. new player builds up to the point where he can be attacked by other "protected people"
3. new player isnt really under any threat to fleetsave because he is still protected by the n-mode from hunters.

4a. unprepared player gets out of (n) mode, me understanding that I can hit him once immediately launch until until I am fleetlocked on his 9 planets. (16-17 fleets divided by 8 or 9)
5a. said player is so totally obliterated that he quits and later in a week I see (in)

Case: subject 1: Commander RickTheGreat (in) subject 2: Kruel
4b. unprepared player (subject 1) gets out of (n), but is still in (n) mode to me (seeing how I'm ranked 216 etc)
5b. a local aggressive player who is smaller then me farms him, then I farm him. (subject 2)
6b. both get extremely frustrated at the game.
-the unprepared because he is getting farmed.
-the aggressive because with me (and anyone else like me) pounding him 6 times a day everyday he can never miss a fleetsave (and he is), and will never have real defenses.

Extreme STILL boasts 62k players... same as before the rule. I see no difference except more frustration to smaller ranked players.

Extreme Universe / Trading crystal. Seeking Hydrogen.
« on: October 21, 2010, 04:45:41 AM »
It is located in Galaxy 1, Extreme Universe (obviously)

The trade rate is 1:1 because lets face it... crystal is more rare then hydrogen.

I'd tell ya where to PM me but the Moderators would snip it out.

I am currently around rank 216 so you can PM in the game by going to the leaderboard quickly.

No limit to how much crystal I will trade (ok I gotta have enough cargos for it).

Larger batches are better.

I am sure the arguement of Nuclear power and Solar Array isn't gonna die anytime soon. However... check this out.

Lets Assume the following.
1. You pick 1 source of power to save fields.
2. You need 7000 Energy.

There are then 3 ways to do this.

1. Solar Array
Solar Array level 27.
Produces 7079 energy.
Total cost is
8.520.796 Ore
2.272.531 Crystal
or in converted crystal cost 7.141.557

2. Nuclear Power Plant

Case one
Energy tech level 11 (converted crystal cost = 3.072.000)
NPP level 18 Producing 7810 energy (at 100%)
Total Cost of NPP Lv18
44.863.556 ORE
17.705.436 CRYSTAL
8.852.718 HYDROGEN

Converted Crystal Cost NPP Lv18 = 58.834.010
TOTAL COST IN CRYSTAL = 61.906.010 crystal

Case two
Energy tech level 13 (converted crystal cost = 12.288.000)
NPP level 17 producing 8503 (at 100%)
Total Cost of NPP Lv 17
14.260.795 ORE
5.464.332 CRYSTAL
2.732.169 HYDROGEN

Converted Crystal Cost NPP Lv17 = 32.837.277
TOTAL COST IN CRYSTAL = 45.125.277 crystal

Case 3
Energy tech level 15 (converted crystal cost = 49.152.000)
NPP level 16 producing 8874 (at 100%)
Total Cost of NPP Lv 16
14.260.795 ORE
5.464.332 CRYSTAL
2.732.169 HYDROGEN

Converted Crystal Cost NPP Lv16 = 18.394.653

3. Helios Class Satellites

Worst Case
+7e per satellite, results in a need for 1000 helios classes.
Total cost each
2000 crystal and 500 hydrogen, converted crystal cost 2875.
2.875.000 total cost in crystal

Moderate Case
+21e per satellite, results in a need for 334 helios classes.
Total cost each
2000 crystal and 500 hydrogen, converted crystal cost 2875.
960.250 total cost in crystal

Best Case
+45e per satellite, results in a need for 156 helios classes.
Total cost each
2000 crystal and 500 hydrogen, converted crystal cost 2875.
448.500 total cost in crystal

Helios worst case vs Solar Array.
2.875.000 vs 7.141.557 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 2.5 times.

Helios worst case vs Nuclear Case 2 (best one).
2.875.000 vs 45.125.277 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 15.69 times
Helios moderate case vs Solar Array
960.250 vs 7.141.557 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 7.4 times.

Helios moderate case vs Nuclear Case 2 (best one)
960.250 vs 45.125.277 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 46.99 times

Helios best case vs Solar Array
448.500 vs 7.141.557 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 15.9 times

Helios best case vs Nuclear case 2 (best one)
448.500 vs 45.125.277 (crystal)
Helios can be rebuilt 100.6 times

So even thought the helios can be destroyed... it is still a good idea mathematically.

Also... the Nuclear power planet is totally destroyed in comparison to the solar array. 27 fields is worth 38.000.000 Crystal don't you think? Also I didn't even get started on the Hydrogen drain. In extreme the values are double making the Nuclear planet EVEN LESS DESIRABLE then before.

So after all the math... conclusion?

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