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Title: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 05:06:06 PM
There is in a galaxy far away a high ranked player with 8 colonies...
Nearby him there are two other players (ranked 700s) with another 8 colonies...
All are located in 2 systems...
They are all belonging to 3 different alliances
They are also so far that for almost all the players is impossible to send a probe there...however they are not to far from me.
I probed the two other players...and this are they techs

Player 1 ranked 700s
TECHS:
* Laser Tech: 2
* Armor Tech: 0
* Weapons Tech: 0
* Shield Tech: 0
* Particle Tech: 0
* Jet Drive: 4
* A.I. Tech: 3
* Energy Tech: 2
* Espionage Tech: 0
* Pulse Drive: 3
* Plasma Tech: 0
* FTL Tech: 0
* Expedition Tech: 0
* Warp Drive: 0
* Advanced Research Communication Network: 0

Player 2 ranked 700s
TECHS:
* Laser Tech: 2
* Armor Tech: 0
* Weapons Tech: 0
* Shield Tech: 0
* Particle Tech: 0
* Jet Drive: 5
* A.I. Tech: 4
* Energy Tech: 2
* Espionage Tech: 0
* Pulse Drive: 3
* Plasma Tech: 0
* FTL Tech: 0
* Expedition Tech: 0
* Warp Drive: 0
* Advanced Research Communication Network: 0

What is your opinion? I will not disclose the name of the high ranked player, yet
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 20, 2011, 05:11:24 PM
Defenses, sats?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Victor Doom on January 20, 2011, 05:15:00 PM
:evil: Probably... When I get online later I can post an ESP report of an account that's been active for months and has never gained rank and for all intents and purposes is nothing but a farm... it has no defenses, no ships... Yet the account is still considered active so that means that at least every 7 days someone is logging onto it...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sid82 on January 20, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
I'm not going to say they aren't multi accounts, but I will say there is FAR too little information here to make a solid judgement. I will also say that it is amazing that people immediately jump to the conclusion that things like this are multi accounts. My first impression when I read the post was simply that they simply moved out away from everyone else so they could build up in peace.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: "Aaria.moon"
Defenses, sats?


* Helios Class Solar Satellite: 28
* Atlas Class Cargo: 224

DEFENSES:


BUILDINGS:
* Shipyard: 2
* Capitol: 2
* Research Lab: 0
* Missile Silo: 0
* Factory: 0
* Ore Warehouse: 4
* Crystal Warehouse: 4
* Hydrogen Storage: 0
* Foundry: 0

MINES:
* Ore Mine: 17
* Crystal Mine: 20
* Hydrogen Synthesizer: 2


* Helios Class Solar Satellite: 201
* Atlas Class Cargo: 38

DEFENSES:


BUILDINGS:
* Shipyard: 2
* Capitol: 4
* Research Lab: 0
* Missile Silo: 0
* Factory: 0
* Ore Warehouse: 6
* Crystal Warehouse: 6
* Hydrogen Storage: 0
* Foundry: 0

MINES:
* Ore Mine: 23
* Crystal Mine: 21
* Hydrogen Synthesizer: 3

Forgot to mention that all planets are named colony
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 05:20:44 PM
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I'm not going to say they aren't multi accounts, but I will say there is FAR too little information here to make a solid judgement. I will also say that it is amazing that people immediately jump to the conclusion that things like this are multi accounts. My first impression when I read the post was simply that they simply moved out away from everyone else so they could build up in peace.

I would agree, however why 3 players of three different alliances? And why only one high ranked? They did not end up there by pure coincidence...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sid82 on January 20, 2011, 05:24:18 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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I'm not going to say they aren't multi accounts, but I will say there is FAR too little information here to make a solid judgement. I will also say that it is amazing that people immediately jump to the conclusion that things like this are multi accounts. My first impression when I read the post was simply that they simply moved out away from everyone else so they could build up in peace.

I would agree, however why 3 players of three different alliances? And why only one high ranked? They did not end up there by pure coincidence...

Could be as simple as them being friends in real life, or from another uni. As for all of the planets being named colony, I have 5 planets in original named colony and 3 in extreme named colony, simply because I get bored with naming them and they don't really have to be named.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 20, 2011, 05:29:41 PM
If they have sats then they aren't being farmed, not yet.

I'd move a colony up there and start bashing, would hamper future farming.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Pilot Pirx on January 20, 2011, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
I'm not going to say they aren't multi accounts, but I will say there is FAR too little information here to make a solid judgement. I will also say that it is amazing that people immediately jump to the conclusion that things like this are multi accounts. My first impression when I read the post was simply that they simply moved out away from everyone else so they could build up in peace.

I completely agree that people can jump to conclusions.  I have personally been accused of cheating about 4-5 times now on SFCO and SFX.  (Simply for coming online 5 minutes after an attack launches on me)

However, this example certainly looks more suspicious.   The most telling factor being that Player 1 and Player 2 are from different alliances and have almost identical techs and buildings.   To use this to an advantage, the higher ranked player would have to attack for the resources, so BFG should be able to determine if the player is cheating.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 05:35:07 PM
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Could be as simple as them being friends in real life, or from another uni. As for all of the planets being named colony, I have 5 planets in original named colony and 3 in extreme named colony, simply because I get bored with naming them and they don't really have to be named.

Right...however one colony of each player has a DF...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Privacy on January 20, 2011, 05:40:14 PM
So just ticket it and watch BFG say it's not cheating because the person is using multiple IPs.  Other than bashing them or ticketing it, there's nothing more you can do. Tets has been caught cheating before, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's doing it again.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 05:43:39 PM
AM

I probed and the colony with a small DF has not sats on it and no defenses...that's the same for both 700s players
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 20, 2011, 05:48:35 PM
Ticket it for suspicious activity, ask them to look for transports to that colony. I've had very little luck with catching farm accounts and the game admin.

Oh yeah, it's called pushing if there are transports like that. They probably won't catch him for multi accounting but pushing is easy to spot.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sid82 on January 20, 2011, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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Could be as simple as them being friends in real life, or from another uni. As for all of the planets being named colony, I have 5 planets in original named colony and 3 in extreme named colony, simply because I get bored with naming them and they don't really have to be named.

Right...however one colony of each player has a DF...

Ok, with a debris field by one planet of each player it does look a little more suspicious.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: kriss515 on January 20, 2011, 06:39:56 PM
The real question is... Does it matter?
Apparently the guy or "guys" are in the middle of nowhere farmvilling it.
I have witnessed peeps multi-accounting and I can assure you it is practically impossible to catch them.
Yeah an occasional pushing violation but they are always back.
Why 3 different allainces? Simple. Intel.
One multi-accounter I knew of sold the intel to other allainces and their enemies.
I am suprised that you can have a 700 rank account with no ships techs or defense.
So I ask again does it matter? And to whom?
Oh, the top 100 players have an issue with this.
I'm not sure why.
It has been shown that even with multi-accounts you cannot keep up with the people spending real cash.
Also these lalyers have no affect on the top 100's gameplay anyways.
Just supplies more food.
Now I might think that the players using loopholes to get ahead in the game.
Or to further their alliance to a point that isn't fair to others who don't use the glitches in the game to their advantage.
And constantly point the finger to keep prying eyes away from them.
Are the cheaters.
But then we are back to.
Does it really matter?
I think not.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bleys on January 20, 2011, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
Ok, with a debris field by one planet of each player it does look a little more suspicious.
Extremely suspicious. All res is transported to a single planet, which is then attacked multiple times to clean it off.

And kriss, if it doesnt matter to you, fine, but this is a game of rank. Its not a hard game either, active play will often be enough for you to gain rank, if you safeguard your own stuff properly. Cheating is just not acceptable, and we should always strive to keep the game as clean as possible. Yes, cheaters do find a way, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to catch them and ban them.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 06:54:39 PM
All suspended... :lol:
I did file a ticket before posting  8-)
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bravicus on January 20, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
WootWoot!
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bravicus on January 20, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
WootWoot!
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 20, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
lol, I still don't know who it was. Who was suspended and for what?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Privacy on January 20, 2011, 07:08:18 PM
It was Tets.  Now let's hope they don't lift the suspension on all 3 accounts in 3 days.  If he does come out of suspension, the account should just be reset.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Lytjohan on January 20, 2011, 07:20:14 PM
was rather obvious...

2 low ranked players - all colonies named "colony" - all tets colonies names something else.
same tech on 2 low ranked players - 2 debris fields - lots of atlas....
mines are extremely high compared to capitol levels.

well, and the fact that tets gained extremely fast in rank. either everyone in the top100 are taking a break - or it sounds wierd ;-)

what i dont get is why he would do something so obvious.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 07:27:25 PM
Jason, Jan-20 14:09 (EST):
These accounts are not being played by the same player however it does appear that they are involved in pushing.
Blue Frog Gaming Support
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Wargasm on January 20, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
The two "feeder" players, are they in a 1 man alliance?  If so, then the master player is probably at war with them so he can attack the planets as much as he likes.

Or, the feeder players have just high enough techs so that they can atlas the res from all planets to one, and the master player simply has to attack 1 planet...therefore all other planets are free to use satellites.

I say it's a cheater multiaccounting, for sure.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 20, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
I think tets should change his name to tet(s).... :lol:
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: tets on January 20, 2011, 11:36:28 PM
as said above by Jason im not multiaccounting.

everything according to BFG is either pushing or pulling or something.
they where just peopel i have played with in the past and have told them to move to a far far galaxy away and gave them some advice in how to play in uni2 extreme.
you also talk about tech but then for myself i dont even have shield or ftl or warp or even Particle tech.
does that mean im a feeder account to someone in the top 5?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Ommadon on January 20, 2011, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: "tets"
you also talk about tech but then for myself i dont even have shield or ftl or warp or even Particle tech.
does that mean im a feeder account to someone in the top 5?



It's less a comment on their lack of techs and more a comment on how two unassociated accounts decided to upgrade their techs in an almost identical manner.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bizmuth Helm on January 20, 2011, 11:56:30 PM
Perhaps we need "player police" A a new alliance that collects info on suspected cheaters and targets them exclusively. Probably get suspended for harrasment tho.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Capt. Nik on January 21, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: "tets"
as said above by Jason im not multiaccounting.

everything according to BFG is either pushing or pulling or something.
they where just peopel i have played with in the past and have told them to move to a far far galaxy away and gave them some advice in how to play in uni2 extreme.
you also talk about tech but then for myself i dont even have shield or ftl or warp or even Particle tech.
does that mean im a feeder account to someone in the top 5?


tets you got caught with your pants down... dont even try to give an explanation/excuse.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bleys on January 21, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
Couple questions then tets.

Are you the one who hit one planet of each? Why only one? Seems to be quite a decent chunk sats overall, why havent you cleaned it all up?

I actually believe most of your story, for whatever its worth, but I think once they "quit" you encouraged a development path for you to farm. I just wish people would resist the lure of "free res". Your good enough, you dont need that crap.

BTW, most of OGs cheat-script catchers are players from other Unis. They get "paid" one Officer for the Uni they play in to be Game Operators. They have advanced tools that allow them to see what everyone does. In fact, one big reason they overhauled the interface (it was much more similar to SFC in the Old Design) is because their code made it very difficult to catch cheaters, much, I think, like SFCs. So feel free to try to start a user-oriented group to try to police the game. BFG might be able to rig something up along those lines.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: kriss515 on January 21, 2011, 01:41:30 AM
Perhaps we need "player police" A a new alliance that collects info on suspected cheaters and targets them exclusively.
Lol.
Bley I didn't mean that I want cheaters to get away with cheating.
But I also know that the witch hunters are in their own way cheaters.
Using glitches in the game to get ahead.
To me the multi-accounting is another glitch.
The fact is that it's okay with them if you use the specific glitches inherent in the game vs a blatant rule break.
When in reality they are both cheating and should be suspended.
But no they won't just the peeps with the flashlight on them.
So like I said does it matter?
The "police" are doing it too just in a different way.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 21, 2011, 02:31:00 AM
glitch abuse?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: kepone factory on January 21, 2011, 03:18:06 AM
He's a communist miner.
Likes to share with his fellow comrades. :lol:
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 21, 2011, 05:56:19 AM
Tet(s) was not suspended by either me or other that filed a ticket. He was suspended by BFG after investigating the matter. Period!

There is no player police or witch hunting, just a player that has reported something he found weird, actions has been taken by BFG!
I do not mind to be reported (already happen in the past), if that helps to clear the doubts of other players.
However for tet(s) to come here to try to justify his actions...well...it is pathetic...
Teaching them what? How to play without developing any tech? Teaching them how to play to built mines up the level that does not require a Foundry? Pathetic excuse...why those two players did not join your alliance, you could have helped them better...
You have not been punished for multi accounting for one very simple reason, because BFG did not find evidence that those accounts where played from the same IP.
IMHO opinion you should be perm ban from all BFG games...I am personally tired of your continuous cheating. BFG should perm ban your IP address...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Rohi on January 21, 2011, 08:57:34 AM
As some of us who played in SFCX know Tets was accused of multi cheating on numerous occasions and he got suspended more than once and then finally he got suspended for ever based on a post he made in an off BFG forum.

I am NOT here to judge Tets at all nor am I here to defend him as I do NOT know him at all and I have only come across him ONCE in-game BUT what I do think is that this highlights once again BFGs inability to close loopholes and exploits and I am as convinced that there is a lot more cheating going on than is being reported.

Be it right or wrong: I have observed the following:

Players setting up multi accounts to get crew points and then  abandoning all accounts bar the one they want to play. This is absolutely rife in the game especially in the starting phase and has been observed far more in SFCO2 and SFCX2 as  by the time those universes were created many players were aware of how to do this.

The OBVIOUS answer is NOT to have crew points influence ones rank in-game.

Once a player finds that he/she is able to 'get away' by doing something like this I feel that they then move onto other more insidious forms of 'cheating' or ways of 'breaking' the game. The way some players have been developing fleet defies belief and though one is loathe to accuse players of cheating when one knows that BFG seemingly unable to catch the cheaters and give confidence to those that don't cheat that their game is cheat-proof one feels cheated more by BFG than by those that are cheating. I well remember when Boris (Alden) and his lot got caught 'cheating' when they famously exploited that glitch and I well remember those who defended Boris saying Boris did no wrong and that the problem lay firmly at BFG's door. I do beg to differ from those that defended Boris but I also think that BFG should be able to convince others that their game is cheat proof.

So I will refrain from accusing Tets as I just can't be sure and I also think that it was not correct to have perma banned him from SFCX so I think BFG should err in his favor unless they have concrete proof and Jason's post (as posted here by Andy in this thread) is by no means conclusive that Tets cheated.

What I would like is for BFG to get systems in place so cheating does NOT happen in the first place.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Lytjohan on January 21, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: "Rohi"
As some of us who played in SFCX know Tets was accused of multi cheating on numerous occasions and he got suspended more than once and then finally he got suspended for ever based on a post he made in an off BFG forum.

I am NOT here to judge Tets at all nor am I here to defend him as I do NOT know him at all and I have only come across him ONCE in-game BUT what I do think is that this highlights once again BFGs inability to close loopholes and exploits and I am as convinced that there is a lot more cheating going on than is being reported.

Be it right or wrong: I have observed the following:

Players setting up multi accounts to get crew points and then  abandoning all accounts bar the one they want to play. This is absolutely rife in the game especially in the starting phase and has been observed far more in SFCO2 and SFCX2 as  by the time those universes were created many players were aware of how to do this.

The OBVIOUS answer is NOT to have crew points influence ones rank in-game.

Once a player finds that he/she is able to 'get away' by doing something like this I feel that they then move onto other more insidious forms of 'cheating' or ways of 'breaking' the game. The way some players have been developing fleet defies belief and though one is loathe to accuse players of cheating when one knows that BFG seemingly unable to catch the cheaters and give confidence to those that don't cheat that their game is cheat-proof one feels cheated more by BFG than by those that are cheating. I well remember when Boris (Alden) and his lot got caught 'cheating' when they famously exploited that glitch and I well remember those who defended Boris saying Boris did no wrong and that the problem lay firmly at BFG's door. I do beg to differ from those that defended Boris but I also think that BFG should be able to convince others that their game is cheat proof.

So I will refrain from accusing Tets as I just can't be sure and I also think that it was not correct to have perma banned him from SFCX so I think BFG should err in his favor unless they have concrete proof and Jason's post (as posted here by Andy in this thread) is by no means conclusive that Tets cheated.

What I would like is for BFG to get systems in place so cheating does NOT happen in the first place.


fact is - its not cheat proof - cant become cheat proof without breaking game features.
people should just play the game as is - instead of abusing it by cheating.

iam happy that atleast in these instances - we get bfg to react.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 21, 2011, 01:55:20 PM
I really do wonder.....based on some posts that we are allowed toncheat just because BFG can or cannot catch us cheating...
Any such statement is a evidence that such player will cheat...on the basis that I can cheat till I am someone catches me....or...I can break the law till the police arrest me.
These are not the principles that we should follow...
This is a game..why to cheat? Because bfg cannot enforce rules that we all know are difficult to monitor? Blame bfg because they are not catching all the cheaters? Bullshit!
Don the same in real life...speed or drink drive and boast that you can do that only because the police cannot catch you,,,,where are our society values? Where are our principles? Where is our honour? We cheat because there is enforcement?
Give me a break...personally I will never do so...
Let's prove that we can play this game without anybody policing it...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Kuhn on January 21, 2011, 08:04:38 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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Could be as simple as them being friends in real life, or from another uni. As for all of the planets being named colony, I have 5 planets in original named colony and 3 in extreme named colony, simply because I get bored with naming them and they don't really have to be named.

Right...however one colony of each player has a DF...

What's a DF? I know it's a lame question, but I'm not too smart with acronyms.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Big S on January 21, 2011, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Because bfg cannot enforce rules that we all know are difficult to monitor? Blame bfg because they are not catching all the cheaters? Bullshit!
Andy, I agree with a great deal of what you are saying. However, I do blame BFG, at least partially. Yes, cheating is 100% the responsibility of the cheater. You can't blame BFG for the individual action of cheating. But you can blame them for not recognizing that people WILL cheat and making it more difficult to do so.

Using your police analogy...it's like saying that it's not the police's fault that crime gets out of control if they hang out at the donut shop all day long. Having a police force is recognition that people, for good or bad, have it in their nature to break the rules when they feel it benefits them. There's no one here that can say they haven't sped (probably for a "good reason"), or broken some rule or another when they felt their needs were more important than the rules they broke. If you recognize that people (as a whole) are going to do what they want to do, break rules, etc. then you must have police to keep it in check. I do blame BFG for not being more proactive about keeping it in check. I've produced a number of ideas on how to break scripts, and make it more difficult to cheat in other ways. Things that aren't hard. BFG can and should make things tighter for the benefit of all.

Funny thing is, I dislike cheating for personal reasons more than "for the good of all" reasons. I suppose people justify cheating at a game because "it's just a game, who really cares", and it probably is amusing to themselves. I see it the opposite. A strategy game is a battle of wits. The game's rules set the parameters in which the world of the game exists, and those are constants, like the law of gravity is to us. And I get no self satisfaction out of beating someone by working outside the rules. Why else do people play strategy games? I thought, mistakenly so for some people I suppose, that the purpose of playing to win was for the satisfaction of winning that contest of wits and will. Aside from playing for fun of course. I get no personal satisfaction if I know I had to break the rules to get the "w". Maybe it's self honesty that prevents me from enjoying such a hollow victory. I dunno, maybe some others don't have the same pride, or awareness of self motivations. But this is all an aside, because regardless of reason, people will cheat. And I find it even more satisfying when I beat someone who is cheating, by playing within the rules myself.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Phil Sutherland on January 21, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
Who says Tets will be unsuspected? And I would like to add that his alliance name a few days ago was "Im a Noob farmer"
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 21, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Who says Tets will be unsuspected? And I would like to add that his alliance name a few days ago was "Im a Noob farmer"

lol +1

I remember that, now it makes it more sinister.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bleys on January 21, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
I have been saying that a lack of consistent cheat-catching would hurt the integrity of this game to the point some people wont play it because of what they feel is excessive cheating. I also think the problem is massive, and while I dont like it, I cant fix it.

I also blame BFG, but only to a certain degree. Its difficult to sort this much code to find cheaters. Takes man hours, mostly, I think, and time is money. I think a volunteer group of GOs would benefit this game a TON. I might even offer to be one in U2 or something. My motives are pure, I have many friends playing this game and I want them to get the same level of enjoyment that I got from my years of OG without having to move to another game. If this one doesnt tighten up some of the more glaring deficiencies, its going to continue to dwindle.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: thegreenmonkey on January 22, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Quote from: "Bleys"
I have been saying that a lack of consistent cheat-catching would hurt the integrity of this game to the point some people wont play it because of what they feel is excessive cheating. I also think the problem is massive, and while I dont like it, I cant fix it.

I also blame BFG, but only to a certain degree. Its difficult to sort this much code to find cheaters. Takes man hours, mostly, I think, and time is money. I think a volunteer group of GOs would benefit this game a TON. I might even offer to be one in U2 or something. My motives are pure, I have many friends playing this game and I want them to get the same level of enjoyment that I got from my years of OG without having to move to another game. If this one doesnt tighten up some of the more glaring deficiencies, its going to continue to dwindle.

Sounds good Bleys.
How you thinking of catching these dam cheats.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Phil Sutherland on January 22, 2011, 01:47:28 AM
I strongly doubt Tets is coming back.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bleys on January 22, 2011, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: "thegreenmonkey"
Sounds good Bleys.
How you thinking of catching these dam cheats.
OG has a system, probably some search algorithm combined with players who spend hours tracking down flags. I dont know the details, I am not a GO, but I can ask one to come here and post their method. Its worked reasonably well over the years.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: thegreenmonkey on January 22, 2011, 03:28:54 AM
A lot of company make them sign confidentiality agreements.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: tHe SnAkE on January 22, 2011, 06:12:26 AM
Quote from: "Kuhn"
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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Could be as simple as them being friends in real life, or from another uni. As for all of the planets being named colony, I have 5 planets in original named colony and 3 in extreme named colony, simply because I get bored with naming them and they don't really have to be named.

Right...however one colony of each player has a DF...

What's a DF? I know it's a lame question, but I'm not too smart with acronyms.

DF = Debris field
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Dread74 on January 23, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
I feel so bad! i'm sure this is another one of his farms and i just gave it a moon! my first moon given ever and i did it to a multi! i feel cheated!
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Capt. Nik on January 24, 2011, 03:02:41 AM
tets got unsuspended....

-1 BFG.

He should have been reset in the same way people were reset months ago in the - ship queue scam.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sev on January 24, 2011, 03:08:05 AM
You shouldn't be able to have a net gain if your cheating gains your more then the 3 day suspension sets you back.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 24, 2011, 03:14:14 AM
Time to start sending support tickets.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bizmuth Helm on January 24, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
Cheaters are cut from the same fabric as people who write and propogate computer viruses. Dante's inferno would need another chapter just for them had computers been around back in the day. For them, the fun of the game becomes not getting caught, so every new layer of security is like an updated version of the game. Meanwhile we still get to play the same old game we have for months. It would be nice to think that there were "state of the art" anti cheat measures in place with continual innovation, but why should the cheaters be the ones getting all the "game improvements" which is why (I like to think) BFG doesnt get to excited about employing a bunch of entity analysis. Speeding is an interesting subject when it comes to "cheating". There are many observations as it relates to rules and peoples attitudes about them. For example I think everyone knows what speeding is, but most people act as if the posted speed limit was a minimum not a maximum. If you dont believe this try driving 5 under and see what happenes. Then drive 5 over and note the difference. Even the Police look at you with suspicion if you are driving exactly the speed limit. Finding an edge is not human nature it's mother nature. Natural selection favors the best "cheaters". Just play the game if you win just tell yourself,"I won and he might have been cheating to boot" or if you lose be honest with yourself, if no one else, and admit if you were out played, but consoling yourself by assuming the other person cheated will just drive you crazy and you will be wrong 95% of the time.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 24, 2011, 03:30:12 PM
Quote
tets got unsuspended....

-1 BFG.

He should have been reset in the same way people were reset months ago in the - ship queue scam.

He got suspended for 3 days, almost the same time that a unlucky player might have been suspended for missing a captcha on Friday evening. Tet(s) profited from at least 2 pushing accounts...which is much more of what he has lost from the 3 days suspension.
BFG is sending the wrong message.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 24, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Send in a game inquiry ticket. He should have been suspended for at least one week.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 24, 2011, 05:21:00 PM
This is the reply from BFG...


Jason, Jan-24 10:51 (EST):
If an account is caught pushing for a second time the suspension is permanent. So if he continues to do this his account will be suspended permanently.
Blue Frog Gaming Support
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: the enforcer on January 24, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
time for him to create new accounts to push with then.

seriously the cheating does it.  as of now i am strictly playing to do moon shots for alliance mates until they start passing me in rsp rank.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 24, 2011, 05:26:50 PM
So being suspended twice for multi play in the past has no consequence on his suspension now?

They should at least take into account that pushing is worth far more than 3 days suspension. Why weren't his friends unsuspended, is there something that we should know about that?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on January 24, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
It my understanding that suspensions (and warnings) are counted by Universe...and his friends were not unsuspended because the accounts pushing are perm suspended till they poof
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 24, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Didn't catch why the pusher accounts are not unsuspended.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sev on January 25, 2011, 05:47:56 AM
After creating an inquiry about setting a precedent that if your gain from cheating is greater then the 3 day punishment then you may keep the loot of your efforts I received this message.  
"         While it is possible that he was pushing for the past month, we only keep battle reports for the last week. Therefore I have no way to verify that he was in fact doing this for this length of time.

      Blue Frog Gaming Support

Jan-24 2011 17:01."
Sent by Jason from BFG.  This is saying that any efforts of pushing that are sustained or that goes unreported for greater then a week are overlooked.  I would of hoped there was at least some evidence that if this is a current limitation of there ability that something would be done to change this or players who had did it obviously would be dealt with.  Instead we are told that not only will nothing be done but future problems will be delt with in the same fashion. You would think they would not require such evidence that is incapable of being gathered by the current administration.  That means players need to identify and report all pushers within the first 3 days of there pushing in and with the hopes that the amount gained from there push is not greater then the potential resources gained in 3 days of playing.  So other then the honor system pushing will be a gain if you do it for half a weeks net production.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 25, 2011, 06:13:55 AM
I say screw it. Send tickets get his friends unbanned, they did their 3 days!
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Jasonb_03 on January 25, 2011, 06:38:37 AM
Quote from: "Bizmuth Helm"
For them, the fun of the game becomes not getting caught, so every new layer of security is like an updated version of the game. Meanwhile we still get to play the same old game we have for months. It would be nice to think that there were "state of the art" anti cheat measures in place with continual innovation, but why should the cheaters be the ones getting all the "game improvements"


A very interesting point of view about cheats. I must say I agree, spend more time giving REAL players a better game than wasting that time & money just challenging the cheaters to "cheat better". I play this game for entertainment, not to waste my time worrying that someone got away with cheating, and now outranks me. Cheers to everyone who plays a respectable game, and #@!#@ to the ones who make BFG waste time & money on policing the game instead of making it better for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Aaria.moon on January 26, 2011, 05:29:36 AM
lol, his friends are still banned. Does that seem odd to anyone?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Boris Alden on January 26, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
There seems lots of dubious accounts as you have mentioned.

It would be unrealistic to think people have not ran other accounts, especially with the absence of moons to gather eveidence.

I think the research gives it away who would not research warp?

BFG seem to suspend indefinatley the pushing accounts and suspend the player for 3 days.

Once there are more moons more suspicious activities can be reported to BFG.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Zov on January 26, 2011, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: "Boris Alden"
There seems lots of dubious accounts as you have mentioned.

It would be unrealistic to think people have not ran other accounts, especially with the absence of moons to gather eveidence.

I think the research gives it away who would not research warp?

BFG seem to suspend indefinatley the pushing accounts and suspend the player for 3 days.

Once there are more moons more suspicious activities can be reported to BFG.

Lol well I wouldn't judge based on Warp.. my Warp level was about the same at the time this was posted.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Boris Alden on January 26, 2011, 08:59:11 PM
Quote from: "Rohi"
As some of us who played in SFCX know Tets was accused of multi cheating on numerous occasions and he got suspended more than once and then finally he got suspended for ever based on a post he made in an off BFG forum.

I am NOT here to judge Tets at all nor am I here to defend him as I do NOT know him at all and I have only come across him ONCE in-game BUT what I do think is that this highlights once again BFGs inability to close loopholes and exploits and I am as convinced that there is a lot more cheating going on than is being reported.

Be it right or wrong: I have observed the following:

Players setting up multi accounts to get crew points and then  abandoning all accounts bar the one they want to play. This is absolutely rife in the game especially in the starting phase and has been observed far more in SFCO2 and SFCX2 as  by the time those universes were created many players were aware of how to do this.

The OBVIOUS answer is NOT to have crew points influence ones rank in-game.

Once a player finds that he/she is able to 'get away' by doing something like this I feel that they then move onto other more insidious forms of 'cheating' or ways of 'breaking' the game. The way some players have been developing fleet defies belief and though one is loathe to accuse players of cheating when one knows that BFG seemingly unable to catch the cheaters and give confidence to those that don't cheat that their game is cheat-proof one feels cheated more by BFG than by those that are cheating. I well remember when Boris (Alden) and his lot got caught 'cheating' when they famously exploited that glitch and I well remember those who defended Boris saying Boris did no wrong and that the problem lay firmly at BFG's door. I do beg to differ from those that defended Boris but I also think that BFG should be able to convince others that their game is cheat proof.

So I will refrain from accusing Tets as I just can't be sure and I also think that it was not correct to have perma banned him from SFCX so I think BFG should err in his favor unless they have concrete proof and Jason's post (as posted here by Andy in this thread) is by no means conclusive that Tets cheated.

What I would like is for BFG to get systems in place so cheating does NOT happen in the first place.


I am glad your memory remembers my name......

But not the actual circumstances Boris and his mob yes all 3 KBF -  I see you fail to mention the whole of the True Klingon Alliance caught up in this affair and only feel to remember my name all the others fall into insignifigance...

I tel you what after are hard day at work I've had enough of arses and guess what just found another one.....
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Jasonb_03 on January 27, 2011, 03:15:18 AM
Quote from: "Aaria.moon"
lol, his friends are still banned. Does that seem odd to anyone?


Does to me. I guess no one spoke up for those accounts. Can't figure out why though. hmmmmm.....  :roll:
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Bad Horse on January 27, 2011, 05:38:13 AM
Quote from: "Boris Alden"


I am glad your memory remembers my name......

But not the actual circumstances Boris and his mob yes all 3 KBF -  I see you fail to mention the whole of the True Klingon Alliance caught up in this affair and only feel to remember my name all the others fall into insignifigance...

I tel you what after are hard day at work I've had enough of arses and guess what just found another one.....

Come now, Boris. You aren't seriously using the "I wasn't the only one" defense, are you?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Kip Shiller on January 28, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
Quote from: "Aaria.moon"
lol, his friends are still banned. Does that seem odd to anyone?

if they didnt ticket support, they didnt get unsuspended. to me its a sign of defeat for tet(s), too lazy to even send a ticket for his farms...or maybe he doesnt want to be tempted yo be a "noob farmer" again
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Phil Sutherland on January 31, 2011, 02:20:48 PM
One of the players is now unsuspended and there is now debris around one of the planets. .
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Dread74 on February 08, 2011, 12:17:41 AM
And suspend again! About time! Yesterday alone he jumped 60k over all points
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Kip Shiller on February 08, 2011, 12:21:30 AM
13    tets (s)       998,520

wtf. if hes not reset, imma cheat to. get caught. keep all my ill gotten bullshit!

(i wont, but wtf, why not? no repercussions)
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Sev on February 08, 2011, 02:09:51 AM
Maybe they follow the 10 strike policy. We only need to catch him cheating 8 more times in this universe then its final.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on February 08, 2011, 03:35:26 AM
He should be perm ban, I enquiries to Jason when was unsuspended the first time and he replied that the second time is perm ban.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Dread74 on February 09, 2011, 12:27:18 AM
He must have had stuff building when he got (s) cause he jumped over me again but i soon took over again.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: DOH on February 13, 2011, 02:37:36 PM
HEY EVERYBODY GUESS WHAT! Tets is unsuspended and he changed his name to Tets  (s)
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on February 13, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
This is ridiculous...
It is really too much.
We should let tet(s) play alone uni2 and all of us stop playing going in v mode...
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Phil Sutherland on February 13, 2011, 02:41:11 PM
What about his multis are they still (s)?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: the enforcer on February 13, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
This is ridiculous...
It is really too much.
We should let tet(s) play alone uni2 and all of us stop playing going in v mode...

i was at 2k when i started, i got my way to the top 100 and called bullshit on the multi's i spam moon shots at alliance members now and mine.

instead i am tearing it up in x1.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Tiberius on February 13, 2011, 04:55:21 PM
What was that about 2nd time being perma-ban?

Must have bought some credits  :evil:
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Jasonb_03 on February 13, 2011, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: "Tiberius"
What was that about 2nd time being perma-ban?

Must have bought some credits  :evil:


What he said. Please don't use "perma", BFG, if it's a "tempa" thingy. dammit.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Capt. Nik on February 13, 2011, 08:26:02 PM
Looks like cheating is officially allowed.

Maybe BFG renamed tets to tets (s)... lol.

Everyone, its time to open up your multi accounts. Lets see who can cheat more. That is after all what this game is about.
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: renykeny on February 13, 2011, 09:45:00 PM
figures! :?
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: andy nard1 on February 16, 2011, 12:41:31 AM
I formally asked to Jason the reasons why Tet(s) is still allowed to play...

this is what I got


Jason, Feb-15 13:31 (EST):
When he wrote in he asked for the ticket to be passed along to my superior. After communicating with him that felt that the reason for his initial suspension was not clearly defined and therefore reduced the suspension to a 5 day suspension.
Blue Frog Gaming Support
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: Phil Sutherland on February 16, 2011, 12:49:26 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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 :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

 ;)
Title: Re: Are these farming multi account?
Post by: renykeny on February 16, 2011, 01:19:43 AM
funing bfg...its a goddamn joke it is....why the fun should anyone play honest with morons like this running the game