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Title: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 05:46:08 PM
Today a member of the AA alliance used a Captcha suspension in an attempt to save their fleet. It partially failed.
Still they were exploiting a bug and should be reset.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 05:50:13 PM
:twisted: it is a cowards way out... as far as it being illegal.. well.. they got suspended for it..  :?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
from what im told thats not quite how it went down. and a suspension is the same as v mode. attack still runs through, so i dont see any benefit for an intentional suspension. (other than maybe follow up plunder?)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Well my hunting partner locked the dios back. So she was going to go for follow up waves. Plus we couldn't launch on the heph because of the suspension.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
oh damn, well i had asked why we had a suspended AA. and the reason was practicing escaping a 6 sec lock. i dont have many more details than that. but now they miss 3 days of res. was the heph locked? cuz i didnt hear of anything besides a loose lock.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 05:59:41 PM
:twisted: Yeah.. I'm SURE it was a loose lock to cause your member to panic like that..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
i was told 6 secs, ppl panic when theyre under attack. i had a "lock" at my heph that was off by 2min57 secs and i was still freakin out.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 06:02:12 PM
:twisted: Well.. Obviously is was enough..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
I don't buy it. Its very hard to get a Captcha and even more hard to get suspended from it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: The Soloist on May 22, 2011, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
i was told 6 secs, ppl panic when theyre under attack. i had a "lock" at my heph that was off by 2min57 secs and i was still freakin out.
:lol:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: The Soloist on May 22, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
I don't buy it. Its very hard to get a Captcha and even more hard to get suspended from it.

agreed
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: The Grinch on May 22, 2011, 06:10:14 PM
I argued with Jason about this issue a couple weeks ago... but anyone that's ever argued with Jason probably knows how that worked out  :roll:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 06:10:38 PM
solo u got urself suspended intentionally in 30 secs from a captcha, cant be that hard lol

im going to "buy it" til im told otherwise
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 06:12:25 PM
Its easy if you go to the link http://uni2.playstarfleetextreme.com/captcha (http://uni2.playstarfleetextreme.com/captcha)
But very hard if you don't. You need to fail it 10 times which is very hard. To trigger a captcha you need to reload a page very fast for a long period of time.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: The Grinch on May 22, 2011, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
solo u got urself suspended intentionally in 30 secs from a captcha, cant be that hard lol

im going to "buy it" til im told otherwise

all you do is hit the refresh button a bunch of time (f5 I think?)

The concern is not only trying to avoid an attack, but also, for instance, preventing a group attack from forming or hiding a group defend.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: The Soloist on May 22, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
solo u got urself suspended intentionally in 30 secs from a captcha, cant be that hard lol

im going to "buy it" til im told otherwise

It took me longer than 30 seconds, it took me many minutes.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 06:26:34 PM
phil told me in game they changed it so that u need to fail it multiple times. if thats the case...
yeah grinch i understand that, i just dont see this player doing that. guess il reserve judgement til angel has cleared things up.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 06:30:51 PM
I'm the one that hit her---and I got her dead to rights .She had just taken out my buddy's fleet---and I locked her dions on the return . A bad case of she can't take her own medicine---so she tried dodging my attack by getting (s) very cowardly
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 06:33:48 PM
I would also like to point out the Angle Blue has used a captcha to her advantage before.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
I don't see the advantage---her ships got locked down and the attack went through.....................:/:/:/:/
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
Prevented you from doing follow up waves and collecting all of the debris  she took ;)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 07:21:55 PM
:twisted: I seen the Debris Fields and watched this attack unfold from the Galaxy Screen... I watched Angel as she went (s), the subsequent debris field as Domina's ships hit and thought that was a shitty way to try and avoid a trap...

 From talking to Domina and seeing the battle reports... Angel's overall losses ranged about 200mil +/- a few mil... plus what she is going to lose in lost production... So her taking the (s) route to avoid a trap really wasn't in her best interest...

 She should have sucked up the loss... licked her wounds and boogied out of that sector...  :twisted:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Zman_47 on May 22, 2011, 07:25:48 PM
Just goes to show you how their alliance operates... For shame~
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Maloar on May 22, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
Considering captcha's are to catch botters, the process should be amended to hurt only botters.  If someone fails a captcha disable PvE missions and espionage missions only.  Then put an in-game message where the game announcments go stating they failed a captcha and missions won't be re-instated until x time. (or if someone contacts BFG like they would for normally failing a captcha)

That way it keeps botters from mission spamming or people from carpet probing without using (s) as a shield.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 07:50:39 PM
Yea--you are right phil.................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
thats what im saying victor. she lost far more by missing a captcha, doesnt seem anyone would do that on purpose.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
:twisted: Called panic and Vanity.. I know some players would throw 100 mil resources to the winds rather then watch you take 10 mil from them..  :twisted: I think this might have been one of those cases..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Both me and Kip just tested it. You need to fail a CAPTCHA 11 times to get suspended.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Oh---spare me please---it was NO ACCIDENT that she went (s) when she realized she was going to get wiped..............
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
wiped? 2k dios.... she loses more in 3 days mines (cuz it was a friday) that those dios and res are worth. and it only takes one missed captcha vs 11 failed. if she filled in the first one and didnt see another tab that had one its instant suspension.

there are players like that, victor. but angels pretty level headed.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:04:17 PM
Levelheaded ?? Really??? then why did you say she panicked ??? And why the SUDDEN (s) ????
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 08:07:33 PM
:evil: well.... She should have licked wounds and boogied out of there.. now her losses went from 200mil to 200mil plus 3 days production...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
i said i panic when im under attack, i wasnt there. and she lost all her hercs cuz of it that added to the losses or else it woulda just been 2k dios is 20/12/4mil i dont see where this 200 mil loss numbers are coming from.

adding 1500 makes it 29/21/4. if anything the suspension helped your profit.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 08:16:38 PM
kip add 40m from the full dios.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 08:16:40 PM
:twisted: I also added in the attack on the planet which she took a beating on... a lot of the debris was her's... she dropped a lot of ranking after everything was said and done..

 She got some good DSP's from it though... but paid for it dearly..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
Phil is just biased and did not provided all the information on the OP.
Such player had 1490 hercules on the planet, therefore more than sufficient ships to FRS the res and avoid any follow hit...
here is the prove, provided to me by Phil, which did not notice the battle report because he just wants to tarnish the image of the player and of the alliance

DEFENDER: Angel Blue
Number:
Weaponry:
Shields:
Hull:
Hercules_class_cargo
x1,490
17,880
89,400
4,470,000
Dionysus_class_recycler
x2,139
4,278
51,336
8,556,000

Victor, I agree with you that player panic when they do not have any solution, but she was in chat and she was practicing the escape and already told everybody that at worst she would lose 2000 dios, half of the harvest and than she would have enough ships to keep moving the resources...

This is the message that I received from Phil
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
OK--2k dios and a 16 mill debris field----do the math ---it doesn't add up---she lost her herc fleet as well................:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil is just biased and did not provided all the information on the OP.
Such player had 1490 hercules on the planet, therefore more than sufficient ships to FRS the res and avoid any follow hit...
here is the prove, provided to me by Phil, which did not notice the battle report because he just wants to tarnish the image of the player and of the alliance

DEFENDER: Angel Blue
Number:
Weaponry:
Shields:
Hull:
Hercules_class_cargo
x1,490
17,880
89,400
4,470,000
Dionysus_class_recycler
x2,139
4,278
51,336
8,556,000

Victor, I agree with you that player panic when they do not have any solution, but she was in chat and she was practicing the escape and already told everybody that at worst she would lose 2000 dios, half of the harvest and than she would have enough ships to keep moving the resources...

This is the message that I received from Phil
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Ok, let me get this straight....You go on these forums talking about how your alliance has higher morals, and never cheats. One of your players abuses a bug, and you do what exactly?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
There are so many scenarios. Maybe she had all of her fleet slots taken up...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
Quote
Ok, let me get this straight....You go on these forums talking about how your alliance has higher morals, and never cheats. One of your players abuses a bug, and you do what exactly?

Someone is accusing of abusing a bug, she did not abused of the bug...

She lost way more on ships and resources of what she would have lost if she did not get suspended...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Ok, let me get this straight....You go on these forums talking about how your alliance has higher morals, and never cheats. One of your players abuses a bug, and you do what exactly?

Someone is accusing of abusing a bug, she did not abused of the bug...

She lost way more on ships and resources of what she would have lost if she did not get suspended...
Getting yourself suspended on purpose is abusing a bug, no matter the outcome.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:30:52 PM
getting suspended (intentional or not) is not a bug. sid i think your trying to ruffle some feathers there.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:32:46 PM
abusing a bug ---you should be banned.............I still have not heard an explanation about WHY she went (s)..................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:33:27 PM
Quote
There are so many scenarios. Maybe she had all of her fleet slots taken up...

Yes....there are so many scenarios...you can try to built anything to make that look as exploiting a bug...unfortunately the most simple explanation is that she missed the catpcha...since she did not gain anything on getting suspended, indeed she lost more...
Anyway, you are not entitle to comment anything on that, your real intention was to get her booted from my alliance, if I booted her you would have not come up with this thread...you had no real intention to find out the truth, other than getting her booted from the alliance.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
getting suspended (intentional or not) is not a bug. sid i think your trying to ruffle some feathers there.
You are full of crap. Getting yourself suspended on purpose most certainly IS abusing a bug. You abuse a bug by making a mechanic of the game do something it is not intended to do. Causing yourself to get suspended on purpose is the very definition of abusing it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:34:28 PM
still waiting......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................O_O
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:35:35 PM
Quote
You are full of crap. Getting yourself suspended on purpose most certainly IS abusing a bug. You abuse a bug by making a mechanic of the game do something it is not intended to do. Causing yourself to get suspended on purpose is the very definition of abusing it.

I might miss something...how do you know she purposely got suspended?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:36:14 PM
thank you sid........:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:37:23 PM
UM---DUH---she didn't want to lose her ships....................why all of a sudden in the middle of an attack do you get (s) ??????????????????????
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
ok lets say intentional suspension is a bug. she didnt do it intentionally, so no bug abuse happened. i find it very hard to believe someone like angel would want to lose more ships, more res, more production, and not hunt for 3 days. doesnt make sense and not a bug in the sense it happened in.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: "domina"
UM---DUH---she didn't want to lose her ships....................why all of a sudden in the middle of an attack do you get (s) ??????????????????????
cuz u missed a captcha. u can fill the one in that u see, but the one that happens from the sy page or all planets page you neglect and get (s)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
besides a 6 sec lock she mighta saved her ships, by getting suspended she had 0 chance to save em.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
Quote
UM---DUH---she didn't want to lose her ships....................why all of a sudden in the middle of an attack do you get (s) ??????????????????????


Maybe because she is smarter than you and she knows that an attack will land even if you get suspended...your post shows your ignorance of the game, and you can be excused for not knowing that an ATTACK WILL land if you get suspended
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
You are full of crap. Getting yourself suspended on purpose most certainly IS abusing a bug. You abuse a bug by making a mechanic of the game do something it is not intended to do. Causing yourself to get suspended on purpose is the very definition of abusing it.

I might miss something...how do you know she purposely got suspended?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist here.

Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Today a member of the AA alliance used a Captcha suspension in an attempt to save their fleet. It partially failed.
Still they were exploiting a bug and should be reset.

Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
oh damn, well i had asked why we had a suspended AA. and the reason was practicing escaping a 6 sec lock. i dont have many more details than that. but now they miss 3 days of res. was the heph locked? cuz i didnt hear of anything besides a loose lock.

Quote from: "andy nard1"
Victor, I agree with you that player panic when they do not have any solution, but she was in chat and she was practicing the escape and already told everybody that at worst she would lose 2000 dios, half of the harvest and than she would have enough ships to keep moving the resources...

Admitting to it, and not denying it is proof enough that she intentionally got herself suspended.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 08:41:23 PM
We are all forgetting that She HAS done this before!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 08:43:05 PM
:twisted: Either way.. it was a nice battle to watch and it would have been nicer to see what would have happened had the (s) monster not made an appearance and shut down all battles...  :twisted:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 08:43:27 PM
So based on the whole scenario---how would you explain the VERY sudden (s)----------

*Gee Paw Paw--it all happen so quick like--all I culd do was hide*

spare me
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
Quote
We are all forgetting that She HAS done this before!

Yes and you have done multi accounting before, therefore you are admitting that you have multi accounts, just we do know which ones are...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:46:05 PM
sid what admission? she was practicing frs quickly, and if the worst case was lose 2k dios....then she lost more than that. thats an unforseen outcome...meaning, she didnt see a suspension in her future.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
sid what admission? she was practicing frs quickly, and if the worst case was lose 2k dios....then she lost more than that. thats an unforseen outcome...meaning, she didnt see a suspension in her future.
:lol: You don't get suspended for practicing escaping from a 6 second oracle lock, nice try though. You know as well as the rest that she purposefully got herself suspended and now after it has been show that it is abusing a bug you are denying it. If you had truly thought she didn't get suspended purposefully you would have denied it long before it was shown to be abuse of a bug.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
:twisted: I don't believe for one second.. pardon the unintentional punnery... That it was a 6 second lock... I have a feeling it was much tighter then that to actually have to "practice" how you're going to avoid it..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 08:56:51 PM
no u dont get suspended for practicing. you get suspended for causing too many page actions to trigger a captcha, and then miss one cuz its a very flawed system. what makes sense is that she would practice escaping a lock. what doesnt make sense is to cause yourself more damage by getting suspended. logically id have to agree its an honest mistake.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:57:51 PM
Still missing the major point...
She had 1490 hercules on the planet therefore the following options where available
a) move the hercules and try to avoid the lock (1-2-3-4-5-6 seconds is not relevant). The worst outcome would be to lose the dios and half of the dios were carrying, since she had the hercules to move the res.
b) getting intentional suspended, losing the hercules, the dios and half of the res on the dios plus half of what was on the planet

To me solution b looks not smart, right?

Furthermore if the attacker have intention of doing follow ups, why they did not send them after the lock on the dios? 5 wave spaced 1 minute after the attack on the dios? The reason why the did not do so, is because they knew she had enough cargo to move the resources, even if they hit the dios...

Is is all logic, does not take a rocket scientist to understand that
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
We are all forgetting that She HAS done this before!

Yes and you have done multi accounting before, therefore you are admitting that you have multi accounts, just we do know which ones are...
And i'm sure you broke a rule in your first 2 weeks of playing as well. Its a little different when you don't know its illegal. Proves how desperate you are if you have to bring something up that happened a year and a half ago.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 08:59:27 PM
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And i'm sure you broke a rule in your first 2 weeks of playing as well. Its a little different when you don't know its illegal. Proves how desperate you are if you have to bring something up that happened a year and a half ago.

Not desperate, I am just using your logic, you did it in the past and you must do it again! That's your logic, not mine
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Still missing the major point...
She had 1490 hercules on the planet therefore the following options where available
a) move the hercules and try to avoid the lock (1-2-3-4-5-6 seconds is not relevant). The worst outcome would be to lose the dios and half of the dios were carrying, since she had the hercules to move the res.
b) getting intentional suspended, losing the hercules, the dios and half of the res on the dios plus half of what was on the planet

To me solution b looks not smart, right?

Furthermore if the attacker have intention of doing follow ups, why they did not send them after the lock on the dios? 5 wave spaced 1 minute after the attack on the dios? The reason why the did not do so, is because they knew she had enough cargo to move the resources, even if they hit the dios...

Is is all logic, does not take a rocket scientist to understand that
Maybe she had her heph locked aswell with a deploy and didnt want us to attack it..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:01:52 PM
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Maybe she had her heph locked aswell with a deploy and didnt want us to attack it..

And why you did not attack it?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:02:03 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
And i'm sure you broke a rule in your first 2 weeks of playing as well. Its a little different when you don't know its illegal. Proves how desperate you are if you have to bring something up that happened a year and a half ago.

Not desperate, I am just using your logic, you did it in the past and you must do it again! That's your logic, not mine
I did it in the past to spy on an alliance. I didn't know it was illegal at the time since I was very new to the game.

Angel Blue knew it was wrong the first time she abused the system. SO she obviously knew it was wrong the second or even  third time she did it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Maybe she had her heph locked aswell with a deploy and didnt want us to attack it..

And why you did not attack it?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I didn't log on to a little after the attack happened.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:03:05 PM
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I did it in the past to spy on an alliance. I didn't know it was illegal at the time since I was very new to the game.

Poor boy was new in the game....and what about Mafia boss?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:03:15 PM
phil i was ready and open to your thoughts until i realized you were trying to extort AA into booting members, thats pretty low. but if your going to say cuz she was suspended on purpose for an emergency scenario, that makes this scenario the SAME. then id have to say domina is just another acct u made to push res from. (not that i believe that, but its very similar to your statements.)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
no u dont get suspended for practicing. you get suspended for causing too many page actions to trigger a captcha, and then miss one cuz its a very flawed system. what makes sense is that she would practice escaping a lock. what doesnt make sense is to cause yourself more damage by getting suspended. logically id have to agree its an honest mistake.
Actually, doesn't make much sense to practice escaping a 6 second lock as that is a very easy thing to do and doesn't need to be practiced. What also doesn't make sense is that for the first 5 or 6 pages of this thread you did not even deny that she intentionally got herself suspended, now after having been shown that it is abusing a bug you deny it. Logically, you are lying and she intentionally got herself suspended.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
LOL---he called me ignorant.....:):):) That's funny seeing as I am in the top 100.................must've hit a nerve somewhere...:) I guess that nerve got rubbed raw from denial.................:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:08:03 PM
LOL you can use "sid logic" all u want. from an observers standpoint, it is idiotic to get urself suspended in this situation.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:08:13 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
phil i was ready and open to your thoughts until i realized you were trying to extort AA into booting members, thats pretty low. but if your going to say cuz she was suspended on purpose for an emergency scenario, that makes this scenario the SAME. then id have to say domina is just another acct u made to push res from. (not that i believe that, but its very similar to your statements.)
I only want andy narde to stand up to his word and boot members who cheat.

And if I cheated I would be top 10 easily. But no im 26th would be higher if I hadn't sent lots of resources to friends and alliance mates who were in need.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
I did it in the past to spy on an alliance. I didn't know it was illegal at the time since I was very new to the game.

Poor boy was new in the game....and what about Mafia boss?
I was reported like a zillion times. But not a single (s). I do admit I switched accounts  lot. But ALWAYS but the previous one in V mode  8-)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Maloar on May 22, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
There seems to be two camps here

Camp 1 - the (s) was an accident and was bad cause it cost the person more ships

Camp 2 - the (s) was on purpose and was bad because it cost the attacker possible follow up attacks

Both camps agree that the (s) for missing a captcha sucks.  So instead of bickering back and forth, how about we ask BFG to change the penalty for missing a captcha?  That way we never have to have this conversation again!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511 (http://forum.playstarfleet.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511)

Feel free to either comment on my idea, or post one of your own!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:11:52 PM
From #1, in another thread
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hehe good one Dread i split my dios and you got the first half of them and i had 8 sec to frs them but.... when i reloaded the page they didnt show and i had no time for second reload i forgot my hercs there i could have pull them out but....

Was not able to escape a 8 second lock...and that was a few hours before...


Quote
now after having been shown that it is abusing a bug you deny it. Logically, you are lying and she intentionally got herself suspended.

Mind your words, you do not call me a lier. I have said from the very beginning that the logic says she would not have intentionally get herself suspended. She told me that she did not get intentionally suspended. I cannot verify it, since I cannot read minds and I was not at the keyboard. However logics tell me that she is telling the truth.
However accusing me of lying is something that I cannot accept, and I really suggest that you avoid doing so.

The issue is that Phil and domina intention was to get her removed from AA, not finding the truth.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:12:11 PM
Phil I reported you for extortion!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
LOL you can use "sid logic" all u want. from an observers standpoint, it is idiotic to get urself suspended in this situation.
:lol: Hilarious, you can't disprove the logic so you don't even try, instead you try casting aspersions on my character. I purposefully waited, I saw this thread when it was a single post, I waited to see if it would be denied, 5 or 6 pages in, it still wasn't being denied. Tell me, why would you not deny it if it wasn't true? If a friend of mine were accused of something untrue, the first thing I would do is deny it, as would 99% of people in the world. You chose not to deny it, andy chose not to deny it, so logically, it is true.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:12:52 PM
i agree practicing a 6 sec lock isnt necessary, but it was the story before the forums. and it will be the story after. cuz thats what happened.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
From #1, in another thread
Quote
hehe good one Dread i split my dios and you got the first half of them and i had 8 sec to frs them but.... when i reloaded the page they didnt show and i had no time for second reload i forgot my hercs there i could have pull them out but....

Was not able to escape a 8 second lock...and that was a few hours before...


Quote
now after having been shown that it is abusing a bug you deny it. Logically, you are lying and she intentionally got herself suspended.

Mind your words, you do not call me a lier. I have said from the very beginning that the logic says she would not have intentionally get herself suspended. She told me that she did not get intentionally suspended. I cannot verify it, since I cannot read minds and I was not at the keyboard. However logics tell me that she is telling the truth.
However accusing me of lying is something that I cannot accept, and I really suggest that you avoid doing so.

The issue is that Phil and domina intention was to get her removed from AA, not finding the truth.
When all the facts point to you lying, I most certainly will call you a liar, don't like it? Thats just too damn bad.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 09:15:12 PM
I am not a simple observer----I attacked after she attacked my buddy----after I attacked---she suddenly went (s).........................STILL WAITING for a REASONABLE explanation...........................................................................................................................................................................................waiting............................................................................................................................................................................................................waiting..........................................................................................................................................................waiting...................................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:16:46 PM
domina, your ...'s are worse than arwen's !!!'s

(im gonna start a bring back arwen campaign lmao)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
Domina a reasonable explanation has been given...she missed a captcha while practicing the escape from the lock....
If you cannot understand that...I cannot help
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
you are mistaken----I had no intentions on getting her removed---I did not even know about your policy................I just want the truth
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
i agree practicing a 6 sec lock isnt necessary, but it was the story before the forums. and it will be the story after. cuz thats what happened.

Once again...
Quote from: "Sid82"
Tell me, why would you not deny it if it wasn't true? If a friend of mine were accused of something untrue, the first thing I would do is deny it, as would 99% of people in the world. You chose not to deny it, andy chose not to deny it, so logically, it is true.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil I reported you for extortion!
Um ok??? Ive spent a grand total of $2.50 on this game.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
and I don't believe what you are saying................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:19:30 PM
Quote
you are mistaken----I had no intentions on getting her removed---I did not even know about your policy................I just want the truth

You want the truth? So why Phil started the thread and sent me this message...
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Where is the intention of finding the truth?


BTW sid82, you can keep posting, but I will not reply to you, as I do in all other threads...so you will stop trolling
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil I reported you for extortion!

Quote from: "andy nard1"
This is the message that I received from Phil
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.


Extortion
It is illegal to request or send payment of any sort for withholding or canceling attacks.

Where is the extortion? There is no mention of attacks anywhere in it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
you are mistaken----I had no intentions on getting her removed---I did not even know about your policy................I just want the truth

You want the truth? So why Phil started the thread and sent me this message...
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Where is the intention of finding the truth?


BTW sid82, you can keep posting, but I will not reply to you, as I do in all other threads...so you will stop trolling

Thats perfectly fine, you can stop replying to me, just makes you look even more guilty, but have it your way.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil I reported you for extortion!

Quote from: "andy nard1"
This is the message that I received from Phil
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.


Extortion
It is illegal to request or send payment of any sort for withholding or canceling attacks.

Where is the extortion? There is no mention of attacks anywhere in it.
Ya that one confused me  :?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:24:47 PM
id reply to you sid but im not sure what ur getting at. look at my alliance board posts. thats the only info i have as i have not talked to angel at all. i never didnt deny and then deny or whatever your point is. i have 1 version of story, and it was posted way before this thread.

but still, logically, why would someone choose to lose more, than to lose less?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:25:19 PM
Quote
Thats perfectly fine, you can stop replying to me, just makes you look even more guilty, but have it your way.

Of course I cannot reply to you, with all your logic, you did not understand that I am not the one that got suspended, so how I can be the guilty one
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
you are mistaken----I had no intentions on getting her removed---I did not even know about your policy................I just want the truth

You want the truth? So why Phil started the thread and sent me this message...
Quote
To: Andrea Nard1
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Where is the intention of finding the truth?


BTW sid82, you can keep posting, but I will not reply to you, as I do in all other threads...so you will stop trolling
I would have sent a similar message to any leader who was housing a cheater. And ask Drew Peacock, Casey Barrett, Or any of the other leaders who house cheaters. I try to convince them not to allow cheaters in their alliance.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:28:40 PM
phil,
"This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed."

is the part that looks like extortion.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
id reply to you sid but im not sure what ur getting at. look at my alliance board posts. thats the only info i have as i have not talked to angel at all. i never didnt deny and then deny or whatever your point is. i have 1 version of story, and it was posted way before this thread.

but still, logically, why would someone choose to lose more, than to lose less?

My point is, you posted a few times in the first couple pages of this thread. You did not deny that she got suspended on purpose. If you truly believed that she did not get herself suspended on purpose, the first thing you would have done is deny that she did it. Instead there was no denial from you, or andy in the first 5 or 6 pages until AFTER it was pointed out that getting yourself suspended on purpose was abusing a bug. Logically, why would you not deny it, if you truly believed she didn't get herself suspended on purpose. You say logically why would someone choose to lose more than to lose less. Answer, they wouldn't, if they knew they would be losing more. There is no evidence that she knew that getting suspended would not stop the attack. In the same line of thought, logically, if you truly believed that she didn't get suspended on purpose why would you not deny it in your first post? The answer is, logically you would deny it in your first post, but you didn't. You could go in circles all day long with it if you truly wanted to, but the simple fact is, SOMEONE is lying.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Maloar on May 22, 2011, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: "Maloar"
There seems to be two camps here

Camp 1 - the (s) was an accident and was bad cause it cost the person more ships

Camp 2 - the (s) was on purpose and was bad because it cost the attacker possible follow up attacks

Both camps agree that the (s) for missing a captcha sucks.  So instead of bickering back and forth, how about we ask BFG to change the penalty for missing a captcha?  That way we never have to have this conversation again!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511 (http://forum.playstarfleet.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511)

Feel free to either comment on my idea, or post one of your own!

So is the idea here, that no one replies to you unless you flame them?

Ok, fine!

Maloar, you're cheating piece of....

..wait, I think I'm doing this wrong  :?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Thats perfectly fine, you can stop replying to me, just makes you look even more guilty, but have it your way.

Of course I cannot reply to you, with all your logic, you did not understand that I am not the one that got suspended, so how I can be the guilty one

Did I ever say that you were the one that got suspended? No, now you are just making things up as you go along. You look guilty for defending a bug abuser.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
phil,
"This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed."

is the part that looks like extortion.

Ahh but if you read the rules, there is nothing in there about the forums. Extortion, in this game is simply about attacks in game.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:32:10 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
phil,
"This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed."

is the part that looks like extortion.
Extortion
It is illegal to request or send payment of any sort for withholding or canceling attacks.

Was I ever under attack?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: "Maloar"
Quote from: "Maloar"
There seems to be two camps here

Camp 1 - the (s) was an accident and was bad cause it cost the person more ships

Camp 2 - the (s) was on purpose and was bad because it cost the attacker possible follow up attacks

Both camps agree that the (s) for missing a captcha sucks.  So instead of bickering back and forth, how about we ask BFG to change the penalty for missing a captcha?  That way we never have to have this conversation again!

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511 (http://forum.playstarfleet.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12511)

Feel free to either comment on my idea, or post one of your own!

So is the idea here, that no one replies to you unless you flame them?

Ok, fine!

Maloar, you're cheating piece of....

..wait, I think I'm doing this wrong  :?
lol I like your idea, but it still doesn't settle what should happen to people that purposefully abuse bugs.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:32:48 PM
did u just mindfun me?

chris angel in the house yall

lol yeah well all i can offer up to u is our alliance thread. i really dont care one way or the other at this point. but i know for a fact she knows tasks still process regardless of entering (v) or (s). im sure at some point shell post on the thread and lay all your doubts to rest.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
maloar you bug abusing cheat
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:33:29 PM
Quote
I would have sent a similar message to any leader who was housing a cheater. And ask Drew Peacock, Casey Barrett, Or any of the other leaders who house cheaters. I try to convince them not to allow cheaters in their alliance.

You wasted more than a hour of my time, when I tried to explain to you that she did not cheat. This was my first reply
Quote
To: 000
She was hit, she did not avoid to be hit.
She stated that she got a captcha practicing to avoid an oracle lock...and she missed it.
In fact she end up losing dios, hercules and res, when she would at worst lost only dios.
I do not see where she abused the bug, since the attack was on the way already. Come with more convincing information and I will listen, for the time being I do not take well to be threatened, I suggest that before posting on the forums you get your facts straight.

Angel is not a cheater, and you stop calling her a cheater! You have no prove of anything, just your faulty logic.
You can call me a cheater, Kip a cheater, based on your logic. However you do not come in my house and tell me what to do.


and for sid82, I was busy denying the facts to Phil on PM, i just saw the thread when was on several pages.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
:evil: The (s) happened... and it does defy reasonableness and logic on why one would do so intentionally...

 If it was intentional.. shame on you.. something needs to be fixed to prevent it...

 If it wasn't... then something needs to be fixed...

 Battles in and of themselves can be stressful enough and timing can be critical.. a one second hiccup can turn a coup into a disaster real quick...

 I think the captcha protocol needs some tweeking to avoid scenerios like this in the future...

  :twisted: I still think it was tighter then 6 seconds.. one does not need to "Practice" a six second lock...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:35:10 PM
phil there have been ppl warned for extorting before by threatening to have a player removed from an alliance "or else". but it will be just a warning unless u have a history of threatening players
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 22, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: "Victor Doom"
:evil: The (s) happened... and it does defy reasonableness and logic on why one would do so intentionally...

 If it was intentional.. shame on you.. something needs to be fixed to prevent it...

 If it wasn't... then something needs to be fixed...

 Battles in and of themselves can be stressful enough and timing can be critical.. a one second hiccup can turn a coup into a disaster real quick...

 I think the captcha protocol needs some tweeking to avoid scenerios like this in the future...

  :twisted: I still think it was tighter then 6 seconds.. one does not need to "Practice" a six second lock...

kip shiller endorses this message
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
I would have sent a similar message to any leader who was housing a cheater. And ask Drew Peacock, Casey Barrett, Or any of the other leaders who house cheaters. I try to convince them not to allow cheaters in their alliance.

You wasted more than a hour of my time, when I tried to explain to you that she did not cheat. This was my first reply
Quote
To: 000
She was hit, she did not avoid to be hit.
She stated that she got a captcha practicing to avoid an oracle lock...and she missed it.
In fact she end up losing dios, hercules and res, when she would at worst lost only dios.
I do not see where she abused the bug, since the attack was on the way already. Come with more convincing information and I will listen, for the time being I do not take well to be threatened, I suggest that before posting on the forums you get your facts straight.

Angel is not a cheater, and you stop calling her a cheater! You have no prove of anything, just your faulty logic.
You can call me a cheater, Kip a cheater, based on your logic. However you do not come in my house and tell me what to do.


and for sid82, I was busy denying the facts to Phil on PM, i just saw the thread when was on several pages.
Well first, this isn't your house, it's BFG's house. Second, that may be that you were busy in PM with Phil, however, you posted on this thread, and your first post was not a denial that she got suspended on purpose. With you, I try to give a little more slack because english isn't your first language and it could have been a language barrier. But if it were me, and my alliance. My first post would have said something along the lines of..."Angel did not get herself suspended on purpose, she got a captcha while doing (whatever she was doing) and missed the captcha." Now I also say that isn't very believable as it isn't that hard to get a captcha right and you get more than one chance before you get suspended, but that would have been my first post.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:38:49 PM
@victor I agreed with you
Quote
I still think it was tighter then 6 seconds.. one does not need to "Practice" a six second lock...

this was what she told me
Quote
I had attacked a target and was collecting the debris field, and a neighbor attempted to ninja my dios returning - he was 7 seconds behind me. So I had an excellent chance of escape - I can escape in 3 seconds on a good day (though not 2) though I haven't had to in a while. I practiced my technique - doing quite a bit of fast clicking, which triggered the captcha I missed. Naturally his attack went through after the suspension took effect.

I have never been locked, so I do not know what means escaping from a lock, I can only trust others experience
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: "Victor Doom"
:evil: The (s) happened... and it does defy reasonableness and logic on why one would do so intentionally...

 If it was intentional.. shame on you.. something needs to be fixed to prevent it...

 If it wasn't... then something needs to be fixed...

 Battles in and of themselves can be stressful enough and timing can be critical.. a one second hiccup can turn a coup into a disaster real quick...

 I think the captcha protocol needs some tweeking to avoid scenerios like this in the future...

  :twisted: I still think it was tighter then 6 seconds.. one does not need to "Practice" a six second lock...

This, I can completely agree with.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 22, 2011, 09:40:13 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
phil there have been ppl warned for extorting before by threatening to have a player removed from an alliance "or else". but it will be just a warning unless u have a history of threatening players
I better not get a warning. I simply wanted the issue resolved quick and the suspected cheater booted, like SAM does. I didn't want to have to read through 10 pages of crap. Anyways im done here. BFG will decide if it was intentional or not.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:42:38 PM
Quote
Well first, this isn't your house, it's BFG's house. Second, that may be that you were busy in PM with Phil, however, you posted on this thread, and your first post was not a denial that she got suspended on purpose. With you, I try to give a little more slack because english isn't your first language and it could have been a language barrier. But if it were me, and my alliance. My first post would have said something along the lines of..."Angel did not get herself suspended on purpose, she got a captcha while doing (whatever she was doing) and missed the captcha." Now I also say that isn't very believable as it isn't that hard to get a captcha right and you get more than one chance before you get suspended, but that would have been my first post.

AA is my house, I was referring to that, not to the forum or the game

Regarding my first post, I just keep the conversation going with Phil, since I already denied it on the PM, I was following a logical path on my post, where I did not find the need to post it again...since I denied it to him several times. I did not think that others could read the thread and miss a portion of what I said to him, before/while he started the thread.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:44:20 PM
Some more information to prove how bias is Phil

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To: Andrea Nard1
i think she thought it would end the attack and save her like it used to.

My reply
Quote
To: 000
You think? How come you are not so sure?
You ask me to remove a member of my alliance because you think what she though and to be like to be as it used to?
Everybody knows that an attack lands if you are suspended...
She lost way more that she would have lost if not suspended...
a) 1490 hercs
b) 2000 dios (the lock was 7 seconds, not impossible to beat)
c) losing the dios she lost more DF
for me the issue is closed.


@sid82 as you can see the discussion over the PM was already well underway...just to explain why was not denied on my first post
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 22, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
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I better not get a warning. I simply wanted the issue resolved quick and the suspected cheater booted, like SAM does. I didn't want to have to read through 10 pages of crap. Anyways im done here. BFG will decide if it was intentional or not.

Yes you are done, you could have waited for BFG ruling before starting with all this crap!

Now after you have created all this crap, you say "I will let BGF decide?"
You stated that she did intentionally, you asked me to boot her because she was guilty and now you wait for BFG to decide?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 22, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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Well first, this isn't your house, it's BFG's house. Second, that may be that you were busy in PM with Phil, however, you posted on this thread, and your first post was not a denial that she got suspended on purpose. With you, I try to give a little more slack because english isn't your first language and it could have been a language barrier. But if it were me, and my alliance. My first post would have said something along the lines of..."Angel did not get herself suspended on purpose, she got a captcha while doing (whatever she was doing) and missed the captcha." Now I also say that isn't very believable as it isn't that hard to get a captcha right and you get more than one chance before you get suspended, but that would have been my first post.

AA is my house, I was referring to that, not to the forum or the game

Regarding my first post, I just keep the conversation going with Phil, since I already denied it on the PM, I was following a logical path on my post, where I did not find the need to post it again...since I denied it to him several times. I did not think that others could read the thread and miss a portion of what I said to him, before/while he started the thread.

Ok, I can understand that. I probably still would have put the denial in my first post, as it is a public forum, but I can understand your thinking on the matter. I personally do not believe she missed the captcha by accident, but with no way to prove that its really a moot point.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
Let me ask you all---when was the last time you rcvd a CAPTCHA ???? My self---it has been a LOOOOOONG time...............so did it just pop up out of nowhere for no reason ????? The explanation makes NO SENSE................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 10:17:24 PM
not only that---but her CAPTCHA happened about 3 mins after I launched...............heck of a coincidence..............
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 22, 2011, 10:19:10 PM
Actually it's super easy to get a Captcha screen.

1st. Activate an illegal Script.

2nd. Actually that's pretty much all there is to it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 10:25:39 PM
:evil: I've gotten Captcha'd about 4 times total in all the time I've played... and couple things I've noted..

 I've gotten them when I was on the galaxy screen and doing a lot of ESPing... That accounts for 2 that I've gotten...

 I've left the browser open before and got a Captcha on my screen for who know's how long.. I woke up... saw it.. filled it out.. and poof.. disappeared... so I know that leaving the browser open when a captcha hits doesn't cause an automatic suspension..

 And the other was truly random.. not sure what I was doing, but filled it out.. poof.. gone..

 Since I've never ran any sort of automated script, I wouldn't know if that would cause a captcha to appear.. I'll take your word for it..

 That's been my experience with them... I wouldn't know how to MAKE them appear on command.. but overall.. I've been through a lot of battles and gametime and they are rare..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 22, 2011, 10:30:36 PM
Well, after reading all of this, it's VERY obvious what happened.

She saw that she couldn't avoid the hit, so she went (s). Why? Very simple. She's going to claim to BFG that it was a bug that locked her out, and ask them to restore her fleet.

Any way you slice it, that's cheating.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 10:32:53 PM
I agree-----she cheated...................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 10:50:26 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Well, after reading all of this, it's VERY obvious what happened.

She saw that she couldn't avoid the hit, so she went (s). Why? Very simple. She's going to claim to BFG that it was a bug that locked her out, and ask them to restore her fleet.

Any way you slice it, that's cheating.
.
 :twisted: Never thought of that angle, but there is that... claim a bug and ask for ships back...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mr Crowley on May 22, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
I really love how often posts on this forumn devolve somewhat into shouting/bitching/he said she said/ he did he didnt matches, i thought that i would get the wwe ppv tonight but this board has enough smack down to make me forget it :D
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I really love how often posts on this forumn devolve somewhat into shouting/bitching/he said she said/ he did he didnt matches, i thought that i would get the wwe ppv tonight but this board has enough smack down to make me forget it :D

 :twisted: This is Tame... You should see when it gets REAL ugly...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mr Crowley on May 22, 2011, 11:10:46 PM
oh i do mr doom, i do, its just that i have found it more prudent to comment on said threads before the real conflaguation (is that a real word?) begins.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
conflaguration.....................LOL...............:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Jacq on May 22, 2011, 11:17:36 PM
I've gotten lots of them when clicking fast through galaxies scanning or opening messages.    I usually have about 200-300 unopened messages in my inbox from probe reports so when I get bored and open old ones quick to get rid of the counter it triggers a captcha sometimes.     But if you just hit the back button it re-triggers a new captcha and you can clear that one and it's okay at least that's been my experience.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 11:23:10 PM
OK---so that seems to be a regular reply---------so the next question would be................

How often during a serious attack do you scroll quickly through the galaxies..........??????
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 22, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: "domina"
OK---so that seems to be a regular reply---------so the next question would be................

How often during a serious attack do you scroll quickly through the galaxies..........??????

 :twisted: When you're looking for allies maybe..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: angelblue on May 22, 2011, 11:31:47 PM
Wow, 13 pages about me. I feel famous. I just saw this - Andrea didn't tell me about this thread.

First, I apologize to my attacker
for denying him the chance to see if he could catch me. I don't think you would have, by the way - but I had bragged to Pilot Pirx that I could easily do it, and so I decided to practice with a lot of fast clicking. My connection can be laggy, so timing can be a problem. Big mistake. But I'm also sorry we didn't get the chance to decide this fairly; can we try it again soon? I rather regret that they told you how many seconds you were off - I was not planning to. I'm sure you were disappointed that all you got was my cargos; you would definitely have killed my most of fleet if it had been on the colony instead of the heph.

Second, I apologize to AA
for this embarrassment, and to Andrea and Kip in particular for putting them in the position of explaining for me. All I can say is that it was not intentional, and if it were, it would be the stupidest possible move, since I would assume an attack would land if you go (s) just like if you go (v) with incoming. But I was nervous, under pressure and got distracted by one of my kids, and I blew it.

And the heph was NOT locked. My worst case scenario was losing the dios and half their cargo; instead I lost the herks and some hydro as well. And mine production, which is almost worse. It didn't work out well for me.

Standing by to be drawn and quartered on the forum... but I will not post more on the issue as this is the full explanation. I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 22, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
If they were to return your fleet---it would be wrong................by your own admission ---you were distracted...........NOT a reason to return a fleet to someone  who so obviously toggled CAPTCHA
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: elizabet on May 22, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
Well have to hand it to her,, at least she didnt use the same excuse as last time, but i think its all bs anyways,She has done it before and she wil do it again,And her alliance will back her up again,which they should,Im just glad to see she is being called on it,But BFG will do no more than slap her hand,just like the last time! :roll:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: TaterDog on May 23, 2011, 12:06:32 AM
I have had a captcha just by deleting my scan history on my moon.
I have had a captcha by checking through my planets and checking ships/activity.
I know people who have captchas using screen refresh programs.
Having more than one screen open can cause confusion and might cause captchas too (by clicking on pages too many times).
I even caused a captcha watching a movie and clicking the wrong screen a few times.

14 pages on whether Angel did this on purpose. Wow.
Going (s) solves so many problems! The attack hit anyways. She could also move her heph.

Thank You Angel for having the decency to post about your (s). Some people don't. I am sorry that this is what this forum has turned into.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 23, 2011, 12:07:41 AM
i dont think bfg even did that

on a side note i hear duct tape is good for kids
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mr Crowley on May 23, 2011, 12:10:30 AM
*starts to serve cheese and crackers to go along with the whine*
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Jacq on May 23, 2011, 12:12:08 AM
Quote from: "TaterDog"
I know people who have captchas using screen refresh programs.

These are illegal and should trigger the captcha.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Maloar on May 23, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
Quote from: "Jacq"
Quote from: "TaterDog"
I know people who have captchas using screen refresh programs.

These are illegal and should trigger the captcha.

Ya, I faceplamed when I read that one too  :roll:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: TaterDog on May 23, 2011, 12:16:52 AM
I didn't say they were legal. I'm not BFG.

Just throwing the bone on the pile to see who bites  :lol:

Which, around here, the lure catches many fish.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 12:19:08 AM
LOL-duct tape................nice......:)  I'm still not seeing a good excuse for her getting a captcha. she was not scrolling---she was actively attacking and being attacked .. My hit was on time---and she weaseled out of subsequent attacks using CAPTCHA
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: "angelblue"
I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.

As I said before.....the intention was quite obvious.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "angelblue"
I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.

As I said before.....the intention was quite obvious.

 :evil: I caught that line too.. but was keeping quiet..  :twisted:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 12:27:03 AM
LOL-no doubt---if she has no idea if they will return her fleet---that means she asked..................what a loser.............
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 12:27:47 AM
BIG FAT L
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 04:21:32 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Actually it's super easy to get a Captcha screen.

1st. Activate an illegal Script.

2nd. Actually that's pretty much all there is to it.

Wrong.  To prove it, try this...  Open a galaxy screen, then click on the >>> or <<< to go to the next ss.  Now you just keep doing that as soon as the screen comes up.  Thats nice, keep doing it...  Keep doing it...  What?  You got a Captcha and didn't see it?  Oh, so sorry, but I guess you are cheating because you got (s)...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 04:27:28 AM
Quote from: "Victor Doom"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Well, after reading all of this, it's VERY obvious what happened.

She saw that she couldn't avoid the hit, so she went (s). Why? Very simple. She's going to claim to BFG that it was a bug that locked her out, and ask them to restore her fleet.

Any way you slice it, that's cheating.
.
 :twisted: Never thought of that angle, but there is that... claim a bug and ask for ships back...

Ok, I keep reading folks claiming a bug, abusing a bug, bug this, bug that...

What is this so-called bug everyone is talking about?  Are y'all saying that Captcha's are a bug?  Are you saying that failing a Captcha is a bug?  Are you saying properly filling out a Captcha is a bug???  Are you saying not seeing a Captcha is a bug???

Someone please explain what this bug is that y'all keep mentioning without the trolling, flaming, etc.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 04:28:19 AM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Actually it's super easy to get a Captcha screen.

1st. Activate an illegal Script.

2nd. Actually that's pretty much all there is to it.

Wrong.  To prove it, try this...  Open a galaxy screen, then click on the >>> or <<< to go to the next ss.  Now you just keep doing that as soon as the screen comes up.  Thats nice, keep doing it...  Keep doing it...  What?  You got a Captcha and didn't see it?  Oh, so sorry, but I guess you are cheating because you got (s)...

WRONG

Sorry, I've done many scans through entire galaxies (Tedious as hell, but hey....how else can you get SFCStats updated?)

Not even 1 captcha screen. Not a single one.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 04:33:12 AM
:evil: If you read the post... Domina had Angel locked on a harvest return...

 There's a claim it was a loose lock and that the hit wouldn't have succeeded because it was off by 7 seconds...

 In the meantime... Angel was "Practicing" how she was going to FRS in time and during this "Practice" an Evil Captcha Appeared and instantly (s) her...

 Angel has trouble ticket in with BFG and she's wanting her ships back...

 :twisted: I'm of the opinion the Lock was good, and the (s) was intentional so a trouble ticket could be submitted, claiming a bug...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 04:36:04 AM
Agreed
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 04:56:56 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Actually it's super easy to get a Captcha screen.

1st. Activate an illegal Script.

2nd. Actually that's pretty much all there is to it.

Wrong.  To prove it, try this...  Open a galaxy screen, then click on the >>> or <<< to go to the next ss.  Now you just keep doing that as soon as the screen comes up.  Thats nice, keep doing it...  Keep doing it...  What?  You got a Captcha and didn't see it?  Oh, so sorry, but I guess you are cheating because you got (s)...

WRONG

Sorry, I've done many scans through entire galaxies (Tedious as hell, but hey....how else can you get SFCStats updated?)

Not even 1 captcha screen. Not a single one.

I have received one once because I was clicking to fast.  I am very glad that I happen to be fully watching the screen and saw a flash go by, and clicked the back screen to have the Captcha show up and filled it out.  I have read where others weren't so lucky to see the flash and kept clicking for the next ss and got suspended.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 05:01:30 AM
I had her dead to rights....................shake it off and rebuild........................
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:06:08 AM
everybody knows that BFG will not return any ships or missed production because of a captcha.
Was a topic of discussion long ago on the forums, I suggest to everybody to read the forums in order to be updated on what are BFG policies.
Angel is not entitled to get any ships or res back, according to BFG rules and policy.
Thinking otherwise is just foolish.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:10:50 AM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
everybody knows that BFG will not return any ships or missed production because of a captcha.
Was a topic of discussion long ago on the forums, I suggest to everybody to read the forums in order to be updated on what are BFG policies.
Angel is not entitled to get any ships or res back, according to BFG rules and policy.
Thinking otherwise is just foolish.


Yeah....let's watch and see what happens. As others have stated in this very thread, we've seen this go down before.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:18:44 AM
I have asked several questions on this thread and everybody has conveniently avoided to answer to me.
The OP after accusing of cheating, concluded that he will wait for BFG ruling.... :o  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
The OP wanted me to boot a member of my alliance because of cheating and than says that he will wait for BFG ruling  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Is has been said that she cheated
1) because she had no more fleets
2) because the the heph was locked
3) because she could claim the ships lost

Domina, can only write 3 words sentences, with a few hundreds dots.

The main issue is not if cheated or not, it is that the captcha itself is wrongly designed, and should be changed as proposed in another thread. Personally I have got captchas in every single screen of the game, even deleting posts from the forum thread.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 05:19:40 AM
Quote from: "domina"
I had her dead to rights....................shake it off and rebuild........................

Something has been bothering me.  You keep saying you had her "dead to rights".  How do you know?  You had an oracle lock on her?  Oh wait, it was an harvest, you can't oracle harvests.  But wait, you still claim you had her locked to a different time than what Angel said...  Himmmm  Are you saying you hacked into her computer / account and viewed her screen, and thereby calling her a lier because you KNOW it was a different time?


I'm also waiting for someone to explain what bug you have accused her of abusing.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:37:17 AM
I think after reading all of this....and both you and Andy's retarded attempts at defending your cheating buddy....anybody who is not an AA member will realize that Angel Eyes tried to cheat and failed....and that AA actually supports cheating.

We got the message guys. No need to continue here.

We all know she's gonna get away with it, so you win. However....you do NOT get to walk away proudly. We know what you are all about and where you stand.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 05:45:38 AM
:twisted: It would have been interesting to  actually :shock: see how loose this lock was... but since we had a suspicious (s) monster rear it's ugly head in the middle of battle... I guess we'll just never know...  :twisted:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Pilot Pirx on May 23, 2011, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I think after reading all of this....and both you and Andy's retarded attempts at defending your cheating buddy....anybody who is not an AA member will realize that Angel Eyes tried to cheat and failed....and that AA actually supports cheating.

We got the message guys. No need to continue here.

We all know she's gonna get away with it, so you win. However....you do NOT get to walk away proudly. We know what you are all about and where you stand.

I'm sorry, but the world does not work this way.   You don't simply get to state things and they become true.    You have a promising career in climate science.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:50:25 AM
Truth may hurt, but I'm not the one causing it.

Truth just is.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Pilot Pirx on May 23, 2011, 06:09:41 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Truth may hurt, but I'm not the one causing it.

Truth just is.

Yes, and it is sometimes stranger than fiction.   Unfortunately, yours is only fiction.  And believe me, it won't sell well.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 06:24:20 AM
:twisted: Alright.... Stick with facts...

 Domina Launched upon a returning harvestor fleet..

 There's a claim it was a loose lock and that the hit wouldn't have succeeded because it was off by 7 seconds...

 In the meantime... Angel was "Practicing" how she was going to FRS in time and during this "Practice" an Evil Captcha suddenly Appeared and instantly (s) her...

 Angel has trouble ticket in with BFG and in that trouble ticket she's wanting her ships back...

 :evil: The (s) in the middle of battle makes it impossible to know for certain how well Domina locked the returning harvestors...

 We don't know for certain how BFG will handle the situation... if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..
 
 BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

  :evil: So Right now... The (s) essentially halted all action... and we're awaiting a ruling from BFG to see what, if anything Angel will lose in all this...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Dread74 on May 23, 2011, 06:52:14 AM
I get a captcha screen nearly every day! Try having 8 ship yards with F4 and F5's building arites with over 1k in each que. then load up the all planets screen and let it sit. I can tell you know it does not take long for it to trigger the captcha. For this reason i have had to stop using that page when building arties.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:53:39 AM
Quote
The (s) in the middle of battle makes it impossible to know for certain how well Domina locked the returning harvestors...

We don't know for certain how BFG will handle the situation... if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..

BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

Angel will not get back anything, because she is not entitled to claim anything, was her fault in getting the captcha, (I said fault, not intention), we can complain about the captcha works, but we have to play and adapt to it. Until the captcha is changed this will happen again, and create suspects.

However BFG has made clear several times that they will not give back anything for a missed captcha, and I do agree with them on this.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Pilot Pirx on May 23, 2011, 06:54:10 AM
Quote from: "Dread74"
I get a captcha screen nearly every day! Try having 8 ship yards with F4 and F5's building arites with over 1k in each que. then load up the all planets screen and let it sit. I can tell you know it does not take long for it to trigger the captcha. For this reason i have had to stop using that page when building arties.

Yes, this is yet another problem with BFG's auto-suspension bot.   Auto-refreshers are illegal, yet BFG implemented one themselves... it's called the "All Planets" page.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Pilot Pirx on May 23, 2011, 06:55:44 AM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
However BFG has made clear several times that they will not give back anything for a missed captcha, and I do agree with them on this.

They also will not give back any lost resource production.   I complained for a week on this when I was (s) for 3 days over a missed CAPTCHA.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bodge on May 23, 2011, 10:46:36 AM
I have a question on this.

Why would an experienced player need to practice a 6 second lock during a battle?

The answer you wouldn't, simple as that.

I think the captcha was intended, I think that it is probable that the heph was locked as well and to avoid an attack being launched Angel deliberately got the captcha.

A pretty low move, the only person that knows for sure is Angel, and if you can honestly say that this is not the case then you can hold your head high and ignore all that is being said.

Even BFG will never know what really happened.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 12:02:51 PM
Actually, I don't think the Heph was locked...however you got the rest correct, I believe.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
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I have a question on this.

Why would an experienced player need to practice a 6 second lock during a battle?

The answer you wouldn't, simple as that.

I think the captcha was intended, I think that it is probable that the heph was locked as well and to avoid an attack being launched Angel deliberately got the captcha.

A pretty low move, the only person that knows for sure is Angel, and if you can honestly say that this is not the case then you can hold your head high and ignore all that is being said.

Even BFG will never know what really happened.

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hehe good one Dread i split my dios and you got the first half of them and i had 8 sec to frs them but.... when i reloaded the page they didnt show and i had no time for second reload i forgot my hercs there i could have pull them out but....

Here is the answer why an experienced player will practice a 6 seconds lock....unless you are saying that Admiral Boudreau is not an experienced player

The rest is only speculation, you want to speculate, you are free to do so...I am involved because a player demanded to have removed from my alliance on the basis of purely speculation, otherwise I will be out of it. Unfortunately Phil, already backed out of this. He just wanted to stir something, now that Bodge is involved he will be happy. I am not going to reply to any speculation that has not been already replied on this thread, I just spent sometime to remind Bodge that the need of practice was already discussed and explained. So if you have something new please come forward, otherwise wait for BFG ruling on the tickets that have been already submitted.
Regarding "Even BFG will never know what really happened", it is Bodge expertise in doing that, so we should trust him.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
The real deal is angel has said that she knows how to get a captcha, and how to get herself suspended, as she used the same tactic last month when she had a family member do it for her supposedly, and admitted it on these forums. Amazingly it has happened again! It looks like she is practicing going (s). And of course she is defended for her actions by her alliance.
It all smells like fish to me!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Dread74 on May 23, 2011, 01:01:27 PM
explain this to me like im a 3 year old so the rest of these people can understand also!

1. forcing a ( s ) does not stop the oracle lock that was already in motion.
2. why would she do it on purpose and left all those hercs there to die also?
3. why would she put herself in a position to lose 3 days production over a few lousy 2k dios?
4. stop all ya whinging its a game FFS!. you all fight like school kids in  sand pit calling each other names and he said she said comments. i mean come on 17 pages over a simple captcha? when the attacker won anyway?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
The real deal is angel has said that she knows how to get a captcha, and how to get herself suspended, as she used the same tactic last month when she had a family member do it for her supposedly, and admitted it on these forums. Amazingly it has happened again! It looks like she is practicing going (s). And of course she is defended for her actions by her alliance.
It all smells like fish to me!

I think this pretty much summed it up, even a 3 year old can understand that.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: "Pilot Pirx"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I think after reading all of this....and both you and Andy's retarded attempts at defending your cheating buddy....anybody who is not an AA member will realize that Angel Eyes tried to cheat and failed....and that AA actually supports cheating.

We got the message guys. No need to continue here.

We all know she's gonna get away with it, so you win. However....you do NOT get to walk away proudly. We know what you are all about and where you stand.

I'm sorry, but the world does not work this way.   You don't simply get to state things and they become true.    You have a promising career in climate science.

When everything in this thread is pointing to the fact that she intentionally cheated and all AA is doing is defending her, it actually does work that way.

Quote from: "Dread74"
explain this to me like im a 3 year old so the rest of these people can understand also!

1. forcing a ( s ) does not stop the oracle lock that was already in motion.
2. why would she do it on purpose and left all those hercs there to die also?
3. why would she put herself in a position to lose 3 days production over a few lousy 2k dios?
4. stop all ya whinging its a game FFS!. you all fight like school kids in  sand pit calling each other names and he said she said comments. i mean come on 17 pages over a simple captcha? when the attacker won anyway?
simple answer to this in her very post on this thread...
Quote from: "angelblue"
I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.
She triggered the captcha in hopes that she could report it to BFG as a bug and try to get her ships back.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Dread74 on May 23, 2011, 02:04:43 PM
she wont get her fleet back. everyone knows if you trigger a captcha when you have ships inbound attacking you will only end up in you ships dieing . its the same as going v mode when still under attack or in the case of SFCO going dip mode.

i for one would not trigger a captcha on purpose with more ships on the ground to lose as well.. that's that plain silly!@
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "kriss515"
The real deal is angel has said that she knows how to get a captcha, and how to get herself suspended, as she used the same tactic last month when she had a family member do it for her supposedly, and admitted it on these forums. Amazingly it has happened again! It looks like she is practicing going (s). And of course she is defended for her actions by her alliance.
It all smells like fish to me!

I think pretty much summed it up, even a 3 year old can understand that.

I think it is safe to say that everyone posting in here, and most players, knows how to get a captcha and also that if you fail it, you get suspended.

With that being said, it would be safe to say that kriss515 and those who agree with her will call anyone who gets suspended over a captcha either a cheater (because she claims they are done on purpose) or it smells bad and the finger then gets pointed.

Yup, does sound like something a 3 year old would understand.   :lol:


And I am still waiting to hear what bug was abused.  :?  :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
Quote from: "Pilot Pirx"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I think after reading all of this....and both you and Andy's retarded attempts at defending your cheating buddy....anybody who is not an AA member will realize that Angel Eyes tried to cheat and failed....and that AA actually supports cheating.

We got the message guys. No need to continue here.

We all know she's gonna get away with it, so you win. However....you do NOT get to walk away proudly. We know what you are all about and where you stand.

I'm sorry, but the world does not work this way.   You don't simply get to state things and they become true.    You have a promising career in climate science.

When everything in this thread is pointing to the fact that she intentionally cheated and all AA is doing is defending her, it actually does work that way.

Please show the post from Angel where she stated she intentionally caused the captcha!

Quote from: "Dread74"
explain this to me like im a 3 year old so the rest of these people can understand also!

1. forcing a ( s ) does not stop the oracle lock that was already in motion.
2. why would she do it on purpose and left all those hercs there to die also?
3. why would she put herself in a position to lose 3 days production over a few lousy 2k dios?
4. stop all ya whinging its a game FFS!. you all fight like school kids in  sand pit calling each other names and he said she said comments. i mean come on 17 pages over a simple captcha? when the attacker won anyway?
simple answer to this in her very post on this thread...
Quote from: "angelblue"
I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.
She triggered the captcha in hopes that she could report it to BFG as a bug and try to get her ships back.

Once again, show the post where Angel intentionally caused it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Once again, show the post where Angel intentionally caused it.

Show the post where anyone guilty of just about anything where they are still hoping to get something out of it, admits that they did it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 02:24:12 PM
You do realize that you have to fail the Captcha 10 times to get suspended, right?

Let's examine this....

From AA's point of view it happened like this:

**Angel Blue, sits in front of her computer and sees that an attack is coming in**

"Oh no!!!!!!! I have an attack coming with plenty of time to avoid it!!"

***Complete spastic freak-out ensues. Angel Blue begins clicking rapidly and randomly all over the screen**

"AHHHHHH!!!! A Captcha screen!!! It wants me to type in '1234'!!!!"

***Spastic freak-out continues***

Types 0000

"Ooops"

Types 1111

"Crap"

Types 4321

"My bad"

Types 1123

"Silly me"

Types 2345

"Fat-fingered it."

Types 2222

"This keyboard sucks"

Types 3333

"Ooopsie"

Types 3214

"Tee-hee...woops"

Types 5341

"Damn"

Types Igetmyshipsbackright?

"Oh that was way off....damn, I'm suspended. This was obviously unintentional. I'll write BFG and ask them to give me my stuff back."


Really, guys? Do you really think it went down like that?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: elizabet on May 23, 2011, 04:20:03 PM
Ummm YEp pretty much sums it up!! lmao
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
She missed a captcha, she did not failed to fill the captcha 11 times...

Anyway I am really tired of this public slander.

You are all a bunch of losers that cannot find any other solace than looking for small things, and try to extort the removal of a member from my alliance. You have been trolling this thread from the first very post.
The OP tried to extort the removal from my alliance of the player, allegedly for cheating, also saying that in his alliance there is no place for cheaters, and now I have to speak out...such alliance has allowed a confessed cheater in....however he was not a cheater because he was not suspended by BFG.
I also add that Phil is a known multi accounter, and he has his own personal agenda.
Sid82 is a troll that has no place in any thread, he just feels the need to troll to prove that he is alive.
Kriss....oh well...another loser, leader of the alliance which has even got more cheaters than xXx.
Domina? A small girl that cannot write a sentence longer than 3 words..
Those are the one accusing my member. I stand by her. I will not post anymore on this idiotic thread and YES i will ticket cheaters and I still consider myself and my alliance a clean player. You can write whatever you wish, I do not care, you have not brought any reasonable comment on this.
Please feel free to continue your discussion about how much we cheat, and watch out for your fleets because one day I will land near you. Phil make sure that your multi accounting is all running, because I will not spare one ship to take all of them down.

Domina, I demand to see the reply of BFG to your ticket...of course if you are able to copy and paste it...maybe you will need the help of Phil, like he did to get the battle report to me...he has your account keys.

All of you have lost your crusade the very first time that Phil demanded me to remove the player from my alliance, before posting it...no he threatened to post it if I did not remove her....and he did so...so his ultimate aim was not to expose a cheater but to get her removed from an alliance.

Phil, you can do this because your honorable leader has left the game, you are a shame on your alliance. I would have highly consider a comment from Wargasm or Stabby or any other player of your alliance, your extortion did not go well with me. You are a minion that does not deserve any kind of respect, oh...of course...you need everybody to know that you are an administrator of the wiki...to give you some importance.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
For the ones that claim that takes 11 try to miss a captcha...
Do this...start 1000 arts shipyard, in one tab with F4
Parse the galaxy screen....and get one captcha...do not fill it...tell me if takes 11 tries to get suspended.
Phil has just tested (in a multi account in mafia boss and uni2) that it take 11 blank (or miss filled) captchas to get suspended.
He never replicated what happened to such player...
BTW you try on your account, if you are so confident that you will not get suspended, do not create a new account for testing it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Ahem.....it takes TEN failures of the captcha to get suspended.

My description of how AA is trying to spin this is accurate.

Oh, and I have never once said she should be removed from AA. Although, your position on cheating is duly noted. We can all see EXACTLY how AA views cheating.

You will defend obvious cheating to death and verbally attack any who oppose you.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 04:46:06 PM
Quote
Oh, and I have never once said she should be removed from AA. Although, your position on cheating is duly noted. We can all see EXACTLY how AA views cheating.

You will defend obvious cheating to death and verbally attack any who oppose you.

I will defend any player of my alliance that I deem that is not a cheater, no matter what you say here or what you post.
It is my alliance and I run it as I wish, I have my own standard of evaluation.
You want to call me the leader of a cheaters, feel free to do so. I do not care. It comes to the point where trying to rationalize does not work.
You want to call AA the cheaters alliance, do so. I am not going to post anything on this or other subject where my members are accused of cheating, however I will keep posting about other players being cheaters.
You do not like it? your problem!

BTW bad horse, may I know your in game name?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
She missed a captcha, she did not failed to fill the captcha 11 times...

Anyway I am really tired of this public slander.

You are all a bunch of losers that cannot find any other solace than looking for small things, and try to extort the removal of a member from my alliance. You have been trolling this thread from the first very post.
The OP tried to extort the removal from my alliance of the player, allegedly for cheating, also saying that in his alliance there is no place for cheaters, and now I have to speak out...such alliance has allowed a confessed cheater in....however he was not a cheater because he was not suspended by BFG.
I also add that Phil is a known multi accounter, and he has his own personal agenda.
Sid82 is a troll that has no place in any thread, he just feels the need to troll to prove that he is alive.
Kriss....oh well...another loser, leader of the alliance which has even got more cheaters than xXx.
Domina? A small girl that cannot write a sentence longer than 3 words..
Those are the one accusing my member. I stand by her. I will not post anymore on this idiotic thread and YES i will ticket cheaters and I still consider myself and my alliance a clean player. You can write whatever you wish, I do not care, you have not brought any reasonable comment on this.
Please feel free to continue your discussion about how much we cheat, and watch out for your fleets because one day I will land near you. Phil make sure that your multi accounting is all running, because I will not spare one ship to take all of them down.

Domina, I demand to see the reply of BFG to your ticket...of course if you are able to copy and paste it...maybe you will need the help of Phil, like he did to get the battle report to me...he has your account keys.

All of you have lost your crusade the very first time that Phil demanded me to remove the player from my alliance, before posting it...no he threatened to post it if I did not remove her....and he did so...so his ultimate aim was not to expose a cheater but to get her removed from an alliance.

Phil, you can do this because your honorable leader has left the game, you are a shame on your alliance. I would have highly consider a comment from Wargasm or Stabby or any other player of your alliance, your extortion did not go well with me. You are a minion that does not deserve any kind of respect, oh...of course...you need everybody to know that you are an administrator of the wiki...to give you some importance.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You have always had a hard time with the definition of trolling. Pointing out the facts in a thread: Not trolling. Asking for explanations: Not trolling. Applying logic to your comments: Not trolling. Personally attacking anyone that disagrees with you: Trolling. So by that, you are the one trolling in this thread.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
BTW bad horse, may I know your in game name?

Sure....it's Princess Leigh.

:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 04:58:18 PM
Quote
You have always had a hard time with the definition of trolling. Pointing out the facts in a thread: Not trolling. Asking for explanations: Not trolling. Applying logic to your comments: Not trolling. Personally attacking anyone that disagrees with you: Trolling. So by that, you are the one trolling in this thread.

Thanks. Next time read your statement before posting and maybe you will avoid to troll...and as I said several post ago, you are welcome on this thread...we need a troll...actually it is a trolls thread...feel free to feast on it...this will be my last post.
Do not write that I feel guilty, or I admit defeat, I am feeling guilty and I admit defeat.
Unfortunately for all of you, I do not care what you say...and even less what you post...and even less what you think
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Grummm on May 23, 2011, 05:00:15 PM
Phil has faked battle reports in the past to "prove" whatever he wants.  Why is no one answering the two most obvios questions here?

Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Well my hunting partner locked the dios back. So she was going to go for follow up waves. Plus we couldn't launch on the heph because of the suspension.

How Phil?  How do you "lock" a harvest mission?  

Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Both me and Kip just tested it. You need to fail a CAPTCHA 11 times to get suspended.

How Phil?  Does that mean that your ONE account is now suspended from try #11?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
You have always had a hard time with the definition of trolling. Pointing out the facts in a thread: Not trolling. Asking for explanations: Not trolling. Applying logic to your comments: Not trolling. Personally attacking anyone that disagrees with you: Trolling. So by that, you are the one trolling in this thread.

Thanks. Next time read your statement before posting and maybe you will avoid to troll...and as I said several post ago, you are welcome on this thread...we need a troll...actually it is a trolls thread...feel free to feast on it...this will be my last post.
Do not write that I feel guilty, or I admit defeat, I am feeling guilty and I admit defeat.
Unfortunately for all of you, I do not care what you say...and even less what you post...and even less what you think

Sorry, your first couple sentences there do not even make any sense.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
Quote
Sorry, your first couple sentences there do not even make any sense.

That is what I think of all of your sentences...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: "Grummm"
Phil has faked battle reports in the past to "prove" whatever he wants.  Why is no one answering the two most obvios questions here?

Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Well my hunting partner locked the dios back. So she was going to go for follow up waves. Plus we couldn't launch on the heph because of the suspension.

How Phil?  How do you "lock" a harvest mission?  

Not that hard really. First, you get the tech levels. Next, you figure out the speed of the dion's based on the tech level and where they would be sent from. Then you watch for the dion's to hit the debris field. Then you launch at a time that matches the speed of the dion's.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Sorry, your first couple sentences there do not even make any sense.

That is what I think of all of your sentences...

Having fun trolling now? Sorry if your brain is incapable of understanding simple logic, not my fault. See that, would be trolling.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:05:09 PM
I am not trolling, I am replying to your posts....while i wait for some rational comment on my posts.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:08:40 PM
Quote
Phil has faked battle reports in the past to "prove" whatever he wants. Why is no one answering the two most obvios questions here?

because Phil is not the one accused...he is the one accusing others...he is the one that threatened me for not removing a player from my alliance, he is the one that has started all this...and now is hiding, because I reported him for extortion...he does not want to add anything to an already troubled position.
Most of the others did not even read the posts, they just are Phil nut huggers
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:08:59 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
I am not trolling, I am replying to your posts....while i wait for some rational comment on my posts.
Once again you fail to comprehend what trolling is. I try to cut you a little slack since english is not your first language, but sometimes you just look like a moron.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Phil has faked battle reports in the past to "prove" whatever he wants. Why is no one answering the two most obvios questions here?

because Phil is not the one accused...he is the one accusing others...he is the one that threatened me for not removing a player from my alliance, he is the one that has started all this...and now is hiding, because I reported him for extortion...he does not want to add anything to an already troubled position.
Most of the others did not even read the posts, they just are Phil nut huggers
Personally, I don't even like Phil. But I know how to put my personal feelings aside when a person is right about something. Maybe you should learn how to do that as well. As for reporting him for extortion, once again, I ask. Where is the extortion?  

Extortion
It is illegal to request or send payment of any sort for withholding or canceling attacks.

I asked once before and you failed to answer.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:11:34 PM
Quote
Once again you fail to comprehend what trolling is. I try to cut you a little slack since english is not your first language, but sometimes you just look like a moron.

I am not hiding behind my lack of knowledge of the English language, I am a moron...however I am better than you!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Once again you fail to comprehend what trolling is. I try to cut you a little slack since english is not your first language, but sometimes you just look like a moron.

I am not hiding behind my lack of knowledge of the English language, I am a moron...however I am better than you!
Once again you choose to troll rather than applying logic and making a rational comment.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
Quote
Once again you choose to troll rather than applying logic and making a rational comment.

I made a rational comment

Quote
I am not hiding behind my lack of knowledge of the English language

English is not my native language
Quote
applying logic
I applied logic...I admitted to be a moron, following your logic...

I just put my personal comment that I am better than you. I think I am entitled to have my personal opinion.

Finally, your next post will be the last...so you will be happy to have the last word...I will ignore any further post you made, as I do on all other threads...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
Once again you choose to troll rather than applying logic and making a rational comment.

I made a rational comment

Quote
I am not hiding behind my lack of knowledge of the English language

English is not my native language
Quote
applying logic
I applied logic...I admitted to be a moron, following your logic...

I just put my personal comment that I am better than you. I think I am entitled to have my personal opinion.

Finally, your next post will be the last...so you will be happy to have the last word...I will ignore any further post you made, as I do on all other threads...

You are entitled to a personal opinion, however when you state it as a fact in a public forum, it is trolling. As for you ignoring my posts, you said that about 4 or 5 pages ago too. And I did not call you a moron, I said sometimes you look like a moron, there is a difference there.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:29:22 PM
Btw....did anybody else take note that they claim to have used a multi-account to test the Captcha?

Isn't that.....

Ya know what, forget I mentioned it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
Quote
Btw....did anybody else take note that they claim to have used a multi-account to test the Captcha?

Who did so? Can you post the names and the references?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil has just tested (in a multi account in mafia boss and uni2) that it take 11 blank (or miss filled) captchas to get suspended.
He never replicated what happened to such player...

Here ya go.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
:evil: Wow... This has devolved into a lot of name calling... This one post from Andy has many interesting facets..

Quote from: "andy nard1"
You are all a bunch of losers....


 This is always a nice way to start a paragraph...  :twisted:

Quote from: "andy nard1"
The OP tried to extort the removal from my alliance of the player


  :evil: In Extortion, there's usually and IF THEN kinda statement involved in a good extortion...

IF you don't/Do this.. THEN this is going/not going to happen... Phil's statement sounded more like he's calling you on something you said. I didn't see an IF/THEN kinda statement there.. so why the persistence that this is an extortion comment.

Quote from: "andy nard1"
Domina? A small girl that cannot write a sentence longer than 3 words.


  :evil:  Was that necessary? Domina is the one that feels cheated and she doesn't have to explain a thing...
 
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Domina, I demand to see the reply of BFG to your ticket...


 :evil: That's a pompous and arrogant statement... who are you to make such a demand?

 I could spend a LOT of time picking this paragraph apart, but it read like someone who's backed in a corner and is lashing out on everyone and has resorted to name calling....

 :evil: I'm waiting to see what the net result is, will Angel get her ships back as she asked for, will lost production be made up for, ect..ect..

 The Net Result of this quagmire will tell me more then anything else...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:44:04 PM
Quote
In Extortion, there's usually and IF THEN kinda statement involved in a good extortion...

here it is

Quote
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

I think fits your definition? maybe the THEN is missing...ok sorry...so is not fitting
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote
In Extortion, there's usually and IF THEN kinda statement involved in a good extortion...

here it is

Quote
An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

I think fits your definition? maybe the THEN is missing...ok sorry...so is not fitting

 :evil: Yeah.. that was probably a pretty crappy statement to make... The IF/THEN is there...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
Quote
Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed

I also add that the heph was never under attack...just to prove how biased was the PM sent to me....
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
Well....we can skip all of the toll comments and break it down like this.

Domina feels that she was cheated of scooping the rest of the res on that colony that she attacked, because Angel Blue used a Captcha to get herself auto-suspended.

Further, it's presumed that Angel Blue intends to petition for her ships/resources to be returned by claiming it was a bug.

Andy and several AA members are convinced that this was all a misunderstanding because Angel Blue obviously had a panic attack upon seeing such a loosely locked attack that she immediately began banging on her keyboard like Mohammed Ali performing surgery.

Add to this that Angel Blue has admitted to using the Captcha to her advantage before, and you have all the facts of this thread.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 05:50:32 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Andy and several AA members are convinced that this was all a misunderstanding because Angel Blue obviously had a panic attack upon seeing such a loosely locked attack that she immediately began banging on her keyboard like Mohammed Ali performing surgery.

 :lol: Love it..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
Quote
Yeah.. that was probably a pretty crappy statement to make... The IF/THEN is there...

That was the first PM I received from Phil...full of lies

a) she abuse of a bug (not proven)
b) the heph was under attack (never the heph was under attack)
c) extorting

How should I react to it?

I will stand for my fellow members, because such PM was just made to stir this mess, not to find out the truth of what happened.
Someone says that I have to use logic when I post, I did from the very first post...but all of you in this thread have ignored the initial PM of Phil to me....which should add a different perspective on the thread.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
Sounds about right to me.......................OH  LOOK---It's MORE than 3 words...............:):):):) (responding to Bad Horse)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
(http://http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh288/krispos42/Animated/oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
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Well....we can skip all of the toll comments and break it down like this.

Domina feels that she was cheated of scooping the rest of the res on that colony that she attacked, because Angel Blue used a Captcha to get herself auto-suspended.
big lie, she did not send any follow up attack, Angel had 1490 hercules on the planet, even the lost of the dios would not allow to scoop any more resources, and if fact it is proven that no follow up attacks were sent

Further, it's presumed that Angel Blue intends to petition for her ships/resources to be returned by claiming it was a bug.
if she did so, BFG will not return anything to her, it is well know

Andy and several AA members are convinced that this was all a misunderstanding because Angel Blue obviously had a panic attack upon seeing such a loosely locked attack that she immediately began banging on her keyboard like Mohammed Ali performing surgery.

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another lie, I never stated that it was a misunderstanding, please quote where i stated that. I stated that she missed a captcha practicing the escape.

Add to this that Angel Blue has admitted to using the Captcha to her advantage before, and you have all the facts of this thread.

she admitted it and it was very honorable to say so, she did not hide behind the fact that she did so, and reported herself to BFG for doing so. Sometimes I think is better to hide and deny the evidence, at least will not be abused and twisted by people like you
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
So in the end as usual Nard and the rest of his PR clan have spewed enough crap to change the subject of the thread completely, to take the light off of the fact that angel has used this tactic before. (admittedly mind you) And that his alliance condones such behavior. And will say anything they have to to make it okay in their eyes.
Funny Nard, you accuse so many in my alliance of cheating yet you are  working with them with a temp NAP at this moment! So I guess my cheating alliance isn't so bad after all, huh? All you have is  verbal attacks on those who present logical and basic thought on a subject you don't want aired. If you would just stop saying how honorable you and your alliance is, people would probably stop calling you out on the fact you aren't!
Just saying
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
So in the end as usual Nard and the rest of his PR clan have spewed enough crap to change the subject of the thread completely, to take the light off of the fact that angel has used this tactic before. (admittedly mind you) And that his alliance condones such behavior. And will say anything they have to to make it okay in their eyes.
Funny Nard, you accuse so many in my alliance of cheating yet you are  working with them with a temp NAP at this moment! So I guess my cheating alliance isn't so bad after all, huh? All you have is  verbal attacks on those who present logical and basic thought on a subject you don't want aired. If you would just stop saying how honorable you and your alliance is, people would probably stop calling you out on the fact you aren't!
Just saying

+5
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Kip Shiller on May 23, 2011, 06:03:25 PM
seems everyone looks like jackasses
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 06:04:27 PM
"big lie, she did not send any follow up attack, Angel had 1490 hercules on the planet, even the lost of the dios would not allow to scoop any more resources, and if fact it is proven that no follow up attacks were sent"

 :evil: There is no rules that state WHEN a follow up attack has to occur... had the (s) not occurred... Domina could have sent follow up attacks at her leisure... it wasn't forseen that the player would go (s) and stop all activity...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:06:36 PM
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So in the end as usual Nard and the rest of his PR clan have spewed enough crap to change the subject of the thread completely, to take the light off of the fact that angel has used this tactic before. (admittedly mind you) And that his alliance condones such behavior. And will say anything they have to to make it okay in their eyes.
Funny Nard, you accuse so many in my alliance of cheating yet you are working with them with a temp NAP at this moment! So I guess my cheating alliance isn't so bad after all, huh? All you have is verbal attacks on those who present logical and basic thought on a subject you don't want aired. If you would just stop saying how honorable you and your alliance is, people would probably stop calling you out on the fact you aren't!
Just saying

No problem. There is no more NAP in to force, my NAP was agreed with a much more honorable leader than you, and I respected it because of Wayne, unfortunately you are back at the elm of the alliance and I did expect this coming.
I bet you are very happy, you have been just waiting for this for months, I will not stand down. Do not worry, the fact that you keep calling me out is a a prove that I did nothing wrong.
I found funny, why so many people is trying to get me wrong footed...and still fail to achieve it....but you are free to trying in doing so.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:08:49 PM
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There is no rules that state WHEN a follow up attack has to occur... had the (s) not occurred... Domina could have sent follow up attacks at her leisure... it wasn't forseen that the player would go (s) and stop all activity...

Correct, there is no rule that state that, but do not take only a few words out of context...fact is that she had 1490 hercs there...can we talk about those, or you still prefer to ignore that importance piece of evidence?
Any follow up attack would have failed because of those 1490 hercs, it is logic...can you deny it? The big lie, is that she would have taken the resources...when in fact she would have not taken anything...and logically she did not send any follow up...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 06:12:07 PM
No problem. There is no more NAP in to force, my NAP was agreed with a much more honorable leader than you, and I respected it because of Wayne, unfortunately you are back at the elm of the alliance and I did expect this coming.
I bet you are very happy, you have been just waiting for this for months, I will not stand down. Do not worry, the fact that you keep calling me out is a a prove that I did nothing wrong.
I found funny, why so many people is trying to get me wrong footed...and still fail to achieve it....but you are free to trying in doing so.

Um Nard I think this post proves your not as innocent as you profess! You get called out because you are not the honorable guy you say you are. And by the way...your statement was my alliance has many cheaters so me not being in the alliance at the time you made the agreement just shows that you don't mind working with cheaters.
You have a problem with me. You have been suspended for cheating. Angel has. Stop pretending we are are idiots. It is obvious your alliance uses bugs in the system, just admit it HONORABLY and we can all put this behind us!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:14:30 PM
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You have been suspended for cheating

Please provide evidence that I was suspended for cheating.

You know what...all of you have made my really feel sick for this game..you do not deserve anything...

I have never seen such a bunch of hatred towards a single player...you want me to quit, I will not quit any time.
You keep going...i will be still here
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 06:32:45 PM
Whoa! No one hates you! Just your actions. Your surrounded by friends. You don't have to lash out. I personally don't want you to quit. As I've told you before. I want you to stop lying about the honorable thing. It's no big deal you guys use bugs to your advantage. So what?! Just stop acting like we don't see what your doing! It's that simple. Don't get mad when you get caught. Esta es que esta es!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:38:46 PM
Kriss I do not like you, and I do not hide it.
You can keep posting your crap here, there are several players which are happy to see you joining them.
I am still waiting for you to provide the evidence that I was suspended for cheating...once you will provide so...I will reply to your post, till than you are talking alone.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 06:39:19 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
Whoa! No one hates you! Just your actions. Your surrounded by friends. You don't have to lash out. I personally don't want you to quit. As I've told you before. I want you to stop lying about the honorable thing. It's no big deal you guys use bugs to your advantage. So what?! Just stop acting like we don't see what your doing! It's that simple. Don't get mad when you get caught. Esta es que esta es!


This forum needs a "Like" button.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 06:43:29 PM
I don't work for BFG and you know it. So providing that proof would be extremely difficult. And once again you have changed the subject. I noticed you didn't defend your player for cheating. How bout we get back to that. Do you dislike me because I call you out?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:46:40 PM
I am offering a public apology to all members of Q that I have wrongly called cheaters. It was not my intention to insult any of the players that are in the Q alliance, what I meant was that there was a lot of cheaters in the past before Wayne took over the alliance.
I am confident that all present Q players (excluding the leader) are not cheating.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 06:49:27 PM
Another PR masterpiece! And back to the situation at hand!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 06:50:46 PM
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I don't work for BFG and you know it. So providing that proof would be extremely difficult.

You stated that I am a cheater, therefore you must have proof of it! Please provide it

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I noticed you didn't defend your player for cheating. How bout we get back to that.

I already stated that my player did not cheat, and I provide the facts and the logic to support my statements, unlike you did.

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Do you dislike me because I call you out?

I dislike you, for several reasons and I do not think this is a place where those shall be stated, I do not wish to start a personal thread on this. If you hate me or not, I do not care, in fact I cannot care less of what you think about me.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 06:53:25 PM
This is getting to be so pathetic. First of all. I didn't have a uni2 account before yesterday and I suspended my only extreme account. And I didn't test it in Mafia Boss, Kip did.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 06:55:49 PM
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
This is getting to be so pathetic. First of all. I didn't have a uni2 account before yesterday and I suspended my only extreme account. And I didn't test it in Mafia Boss, Kip did.


Well, that makes sense. My bad. It was just the way Andy stated it. It sounded a bit odd.

My apologies.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
I already stated that my player did not cheat, and I provide the facts and the logic to support my statements, unlike you did.
Except for the simple fact that your explanations don't add up. First, if you and Kip had truly thought her innocent you both would have said so in your very first posts on this thread. You would not have waited until it was pointed out that intentionally getting yourself suspended was abusing a bug. Second, you provide that she was practicing avoiding a 6 second lock when any experienced player knows that there is absolutely no need to practice a 6 second lock. Third you say that she lost more by getting suspended than she would have if she had not gotten suspended, then by her very own admission she is waiting to see if she gets her ships back from BFG.

Sorry, but your explanations do not add up.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
You are entitled to a personal opinion, however when you state it as a fact in a public forum, it is trolling. As for you ignoring my posts, you said that about 4 or 5 pages ago too. And I did not call you a moron, I said sometimes you look like a moron, there is a difference there.

This is interesting.  Sid, you claim that you don't and are not trolling.  However, going by what you posted...  How many times have you stated your personal opinion about the OP and stated it as a fact.  I lost count myself, but several times.  So Sid, by your own comment, you are calling yourself a troll.

How do I know you are stating your personal opinions as facts?  Simple, you did not see what Angel saw, so any comment you make is strictly a personal opinion and not fact.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 06:57:40 PM
But it proved the fact that it does take 11 failures to get your self suspended. It is very suspicious that Angel Blue sent a ticket in to ask for her ships back.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Btw....did anybody else take note that they claim to have used a multi-account to test the Captcha?

Isn't that.....

Ya know what, forget I mentioned it.

I saw that also, and wasn't it from someone who said they don't use multi-accounts?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 23, 2011, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "Sid82"
You are entitled to a personal opinion, however when you state it as a fact in a public forum, it is trolling. As for you ignoring my posts, you said that about 4 or 5 pages ago too. And I did not call you a moron, I said sometimes you look like a moron, there is a difference there.

This is interesting.  Sid, you claim that you don't and are not trolling.  However, going by what you posted...  How many times have you stated your personal opinion about the OP and stated it as a fact.  I lost count myself, but several times.  So Sid, by your own comment, you are calling yourself a troll.

How do I know you are stating your personal opinions as facts?  Simple, you did not see what Angel saw, so any comment you make is strictly a personal opinion and not fact.
I never said I wasn't a troll, simply that I have not trolled this thread. And I base my comments on posts by other members of her alliance, and her own posts, so unless you are saying your alliance members are lying, they are accurate posts.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
thank you once again sid....................:):):)    OMG----MORE than 3 words AGAIN....................:):):)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: "Victor Doom"
.:twisted: Alright.... Stick with facts...

 Domina Launched upon a returning harvestor fleet..

 There's a claim it was a loose lock and that the hit wouldn't have succeeded because it was off by 7 seconds...

 In the meantime... Angel was "Practicing" how she was going to FRS in time and during this "Practice" an Evil Captcha suddenly Appeared and instantly (s) her...

 Angel has trouble ticket in with BFG and in that trouble ticket she's wanting her ships back...

 :evil: The (s) in the middle of battle makes it impossible to know for certain how well Domina locked the returning harvestors...

 We don't know for certain how BFG will handle the situation... if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..
 
 BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

  :evil: So Right now... The (s) essentially halted all action... and we're awaiting a ruling from BFG to see what, if anything, Angel will lose in all this...

 :twisted: Repost
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:01:27 PM
Ok....quick show of hands from the AA members....

How many of you think that Angel Blue (who has used the Captcha before to intentionally get suspended) was so panicked by a 6 second lock that she went all Michael J Fox on her keyboard?

Anybody?

Or is it more reasonable to assume that she once again tried to manipulate the system?

C'mon now....it's a pretty simple question.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:09:18 PM
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Except for the simple fact that your explanations don't add up. First, if you and Kip had truly thought her innocent you both would have said so in your very first posts on this thread. You would not have waited until it was pointed out that intentionally getting yourself suspended was abusing a bug.

Where is your logic sid82? You stated yesterday the following, when I provide the answer to your question...easy to forget and bring it up again? Or maybe fits your "logic"?

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Ok, I can understand that. I probably still would have put the denial in my first post, as it is a public forum, but I can understand your thinking on the matter.

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Second, you provide that she was practicing avoiding a 6 second lock when any experienced player knows that there is absolutely no need to practice a 6 second lock.

I have posted several times a statement of an experienced player that he missed to avoid a 8 seconds lock...but all of you have purposely ignored it

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Third you say that she lost more by getting suspended than she would have if she had not gotten suspended, then by her very own admission she is waiting to see if she gets her ships back from BFG.

This was very unfortunate from her, if she indeed asked for the ships back. We know that BFG will not return it. I said before and repeat again that I do not think she should get back any ships.


Finally a simple question, why I do need to repeat my statements over and over?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 07:11:57 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Well....we can skip all of the toll comments and break it down like this.

Domina feels that she was cheated of scooping the rest of the res on that colony that she attacked, because Angel Blue used a Captcha to get herself auto-suspended.

Further, it's presumed that Angel Blue intends to petition for her ships/resources to be returned by claiming it was a bug.

Andy and several AA members are convinced that this was all a misunderstanding because Angel Blue obviously had a panic attack upon seeing such a loosely locked attack that she immediately began banging on her keyboard like Mohammed Ali performing surgery.

Add to this that Angel Blue has admitted to using the Captcha to her advantage before, and you have all the facts of this thread.

Not quite right.  Lets get the proper words in here, shall we?  Lets review Angels post, which can be found on page 14.
For you will not she where she used a captcha to get suspended.  Nor will you see where she mentioned anything about a bug.  After reading her post again, ask yourselves if what you have dreamed up fits her post.  Y'all have taken the facts of what she posted, twisted them into what you want to see and hear, and ran with it.  Shame on y'all.

Quote from: "angelblue"
angelblue   
 Post subject: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attackPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:31 pm

Airman


Joined: Thu May 20, 2010 4:15 pm
Posts: 83
Location: Ontario, Canada   
Wow, 13 pages about me. I feel famous. I just saw this - Andrea didn't tell me about this thread.

First, I apologize to my attacker for denying him the chance to see if he could catch me. I don't think you would have, by the way - but I had bragged to Pilot Pirx that I could easily do it, and so I decided to practice with a lot of fast clicking. My connection can be laggy, so timing can be a problem. Big mistake. But I'm also sorry we didn't get the chance to decide this fairly; can we try it again soon? I rather regret that they told you how many seconds you were off - I was not planning to. I'm sure you were disappointed that all you got was my cargos; you would definitely have killed my most of fleet if it had been on the colony instead of the heph.

Second, I apologize to AA for this embarrassment, and to Andrea and Kip in particular for putting them in the position of explaining for me. All I can say is that it was not intentional, and if it were, it would be the stupidest possible move, since I would assume an attack would land if you go (s) just like if you go (v) with incoming. But I was nervous, under pressure and got distracted by one of my kids, and I blew it.

And the heph was NOT locked. My worst case scenario was losing the dios and half their cargo; instead I lost the herks and some hydro as well. And mine production, which is almost worse. It didn't work out well for me.

Standing by to be drawn and quartered on the forum... but I will not post more on the issue as this is the full explanation. I have no idea if BFG will return my fleets, but either way, it's not a major loss.

_________________
angel blue
no big fleet
just small sharp claws
AA's diva
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:13:31 PM
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Ok....quick show of hands from the AA members....

How many of you think that Angel Blue (who has used the Captcha before to intentionally get suspended) was so panicked by a 6 second lock that she went all Michael J Fox on her keyboard?

Anybody?

Or is it more reasonable to assume that she once again tried to manipulate the system?

C'mon now....it's a pretty simple question.

This question does not deserve any reply, it is has been provided over and over in the previous posts, but unfortunately you keep ignoring what you do not like. Very childish
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:14:09 PM
Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Let presume this

Domina is such a poor player that cannot make a good lock on a harvester mission, she only managed 6 seconds.
She is angry because she could have done better, furthermore she also missed sending 2-3 follows up attacks within 1 second of the lock, in order to take the resources after the lock on the dios land, making the defender unable to move the resources left.
What she can do?
Call Phil and cry to him...Phil being a good pal, says "do not worry, I will take care of it"...

Sound logical? Of course sounds...Domina made a major mistake when locking dios...she did not sent any follow up within 1-2 seconds of the lock landing...any good player will do that, it is the safest way to get the most resources....
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
You can not call it a mistake lol. You do not know what she was planning.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:19:52 PM
So did you change the subject once again?!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:21:50 PM
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Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!

SORRY FOR USING CAPITALS MAYBE YOU WILL HEAR ME!

I SAID THAT SHE SHOULD NOT GET THE SHIPS BACK (IF INDEED SHE ASKED THEM BACK) BECAUSE OF BFG STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT THEY WILL NOT RETURN ANY SHIPS LOST BECAUSE OF A MISSED CAPTCHA. IT IS LOUD ENOUGH?

Kriss you are a multi accounter...can you tell me the name of your other multi accounts? I am stating that because I know you have been suspended for multi accounts, therefore you are still guilty of multi accounting...so please give me the names of the other accounts,...you did it in the past and you MUST be doing now
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
So did you change the subject once again?!


Yeah, I noticed that none of the AA members will address the lack of logic they are presenting.

They either truly believe that Angel Blue is completely incapable of passing a Captcha 10 times in a row, or they just don't want to admit that it was obviously intentional.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Let presume this

Domina is such a poor player that cannot make a good lock on a harvester mission, she only managed 6 seconds.
She is angry because she could have done better, furthermore she also missed sending 2-3 follows up attacks within 1 second of the lock, in order to take the resources after the lock on the dios land, making the defender unable to move the resources left.
What she can do?
Call Phil and cry to him...Phil being a good pal, says "do not worry, I will take care of it"...

Sound logical? Of course sounds...Domina made a major mistake when locking dios...she did not sent any follow up within 1-2 seconds of the lock landing...any good player will do that, it is the safest way to get the most resources....

 :twisted: Domina is not the one that went (s) in the middle of an attack...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:24:44 PM
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You can not call it a mistake lol. You do not know what she was planning.

Phil, you do not know what you are talking about...go back to your book and study "harvesters lock 101".
No matter what she was planning, it is a standard procedure to send cargos in a follow up mission to a harvesters lock, in this way if you send one wave of cargo you get 3/4 of the dios cargo, if you send two cargos waves you get 7/8.
Domina she did not do that, and now she is crying because she forgot such elementary actions
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: "Victor Doom"
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Let presume this

Domina is such a poor player that cannot make a good lock on a harvester mission, she only managed 6 seconds.
She is angry because she could have done better, furthermore she also missed sending 2-3 follows up attacks within 1 second of the lock, in order to take the resources after the lock on the dios land, making the defender unable to move the resources left.
What she can do?
Call Phil and cry to him...Phil being a good pal, says "do not worry, I will take care of it"...

Sound logical? Of course sounds...Domina made a major mistake when locking dios...she did not sent any follow up within 1-2 seconds of the lock landing...any good player will do that, it is the safest way to get the most resources....

 :twisted: Domina is not the one that went (s) in the middle of an attack...
+1
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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You can not call it a mistake lol. You do not know what she was planning.

Phil, you do not know what you are talking about...go back to your book and study "harvesters lock 101".
No matter what she was planning, it is a standard procedure to send cargos in a follow up mission to a harvesters lock, in this way if you send one wave of cargo you get 3/4 of the dios cargo, if you send two cargos waves you get 7/8.
Domina she did not do that, and now she is crying because she forgot such elementary actions
Maybe its your standard procedure. Maybe she wanted to keep ships back. Or maybe she didnt have enough cargos handy.

BUT YOU ARE CHANGING THE SUBJECT!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:27:38 PM
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They either truly believe that Angel Blue is completely incapable of passing a Captcha 10 times in a row, or they just don't want to admit that it was obviously intentional.

This is a statement from phil on a test that he made on mafia boss, on a new created account without having ship yards running and ships being built.
Furthermore Phil is stating that you can input wrongly 10 times the captcha, not that you can miss it 10 times!!!
Damn there is a difference on the two issues...but you keep ignoring it! Angel said she missed the captcha...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:28:54 PM
Dude you still want to lash out instead of just saying the truth! I'm not multi-accounting and have not been suspended for it!
The proof is you can't tell me who I am!
Now back to the thread at hand, you can make one for who all my accounts are if you wish! I remember you accusing me of being the whole alliance. then accuse my alliance of being cheaters, then take it back, even though all the same players are  in the alliance as when you accused us of cheating. Keep trying to put the light on someone else. It's okay. Like I said just join reality with the rest of us! Deal with this thread. You can make one about me later!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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They either truly believe that Angel Blue is completely incapable of passing a Captcha 10 times in a row, or they just don't want to admit that it was obviously intentional.

This is a statement from phil on a test that he made on mafia boss, on a new created account without having ship yards running and ships being built.
Furthermore Phil is stating that you can input wrongly 10 times the captcha, not that you can miss it 10 times!!!
Damn there is a difference on the two issues...but you keep ignoring it! Angel said she missed the captcha...
I never tested it on Mafia Boss. Kip did. I tested it on extreme and uni2.

And it was 11 times not 10. Plus you can leave the captcha open for as long as you like.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 07:29:29 PM
HMMMMMMMM.....................I must suck really bad because I tagged her incoming dions and hercs.................HMMMMMMM.................plus I picked up 21 mill in res while I was at it.............also---since the heph was already FS----I had plenty of time to send follow-up attacks at my leisure - since she couldn't move it herself...............BUT THEN.............................OMG---she suddenly went (s)..............
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
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Maybe its your standard procedure. Maybe she wanted to keep ships back. Or maybe she didnt have enough cargos handy.

BUT YOU ARE CHANGING THE SUBJECT!

I am not changing the subject, since one of the accusation is that she got "s" to avoid follow up attacks...

Maybe, perhaps...for Domina those are valid words...for Angel..."she cheated and you must remove her, if you do not so I will..."

Fair? No my friend, is not fair, but nothing is fair on this thread from the very first post...I will not stand down to you or any other...you will see me keep coming at you
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
You demanded I remove a player from my alliance for him saying angel was going to die.
Now you don't deal with it? hmmmmm
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
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since the heph was already FS

Thanks for this! I was really waiting for that...finally  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I love you!

Phil PM to me...

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An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Oh...explain me how you can kill a heph that is FRSed!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I rest my case. Please feel free to keep this thread going
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:35:58 PM
Enter Andy Nard slight of hand here! everyone look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>over there!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
Enter Andy Nard slight of hand here! everyone look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>over there!


+5
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!


And If I recall that case, she was not under an attack at the time, she lost her internet and wanted to save herself.  Because we don't have a policy of seeing a players fleets sitting out and offline and log in for them to FRS, she did what she thought was best.  Was it the best answer, probably not.  If I recall, it was the only thing she could think of at the time.  But it was done, and BFGing didn't penalize her for it.  Meanwhile, that is not this topic.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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since the heph was already FS

Thanks for this! I was really waiting for that...finally  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I love you!

Phil PM to me...

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An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed. This will be hitting the forums if she is not removed. You have always stated that you would remove a member if they were caught abusing a bug.

Oh...explain me how you can kill a heph that is FRSed!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

I rest my case. Please feel free to keep this thread going
Oops I guess I missed a small detail.. Does it really matter? Well of course it does to you... But to the rest of us?
Anybody? Anybody?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:40:50 PM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "kriss515"
Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!


And If I recall that case, she was not under an attack at the time, she lost her internet and wanted to save herself.  Because we don't have a policy of seeing a players fleets sitting out and offline and log in for them to FRS, she did what she thought was best.  Was it the best answer, probably not.  If I recall, it was the only thing she could think of at the time.  But it was done, and BFGing didn't penalize her for it.  Meanwhile, that is not this topic.

So....what? It's ok to cheat as long as you aren't under attack?

I'm just trying to follow your logic here.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
So even though it was allowed by bfg for someone to fs her she chose to get herself suspended. Now here she is again using the same tactic but we have to forget earlier transgressions.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
You can not call it a mistake lol. You do not know what she was planning.

That is correct.  We don't know what she was planing outside of what she posted.  This includes you.  So outside of Angel's posting, how can you claim it was NOT a mistake unless you were there (standing behind her) or you were viewing her screen by some other means.

This is the problem.  She stated what happened, y'all state what you THINK happened.  

So lets all see what BFGing has to say, and end it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
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This is the problem. She stated what happened, y'all state what you THINK happened.

Sorry they did not state what they think happened, they lied about it! The only proven lie on this thread is that one player claimed that she got suspended to save her heph! and later we discover that the heph was FRSed...that is the only proven fact and shows who is trying to twist the situation....

As I said my case is rested.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 07:49:21 PM
.:twisted: Alright.... Stick with facts...

Domina Launched upon a returning harvestor fleet..

There's a claim it was a loose lock and that the hit wouldn't have succeeded because it was off by 7 seconds...

In the meantime... Angel was "Practicing" how she was going to FRS in time and during this "Practice" an Evil Captcha suddenly Appeared and instantly (s) her...

Angel has trouble ticket in with BFG and in that trouble ticket she's wanting her ships back...

:evil: The (s) in the middle of battle makes it impossible to know for certain how well Domina locked the returning harvestors...

We don't know for certain how BFG will handle the situation... if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..

BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

:evil: So Right now... The (s) essentially halted all action... and we're awaiting a ruling from BFG to see what, if anything, Angel will lose in all this...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "kriss515"
So did you change the subject once again?!


Yeah, I noticed that none of the AA members will address the lack of logic they are presenting.

They either truly believe that Angel Blue is completely incapable of passing a Captcha 10 times in a row, or they just don't want to admit that it was obviously intentional.

Oh my...  Oh my...  Once again, that is not the only way to fail a captcha.  I tell you want, just to prove me wrong...  Why don't you do whatever you have to to get a captcha to show up, then pretend it isn't there as if you didn't see it, and keep clicking to view solar systems.  Once you have viewed several more pages, let us know what happened.

Point being, there is more than one way to fail a captcha.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:54:43 PM
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if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..

BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

Victor, please let me know which player got ships back and lost production back for a missed captcha.
I am not aware of it, but you might know better than me, unless you are just making an assumption of the result of the ruling.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "kriss515"
So did you change the subject once again?!


Yeah, I noticed that none of the AA members will address the lack of logic they are presenting.

They either truly believe that Angel Blue is completely incapable of passing a Captcha 10 times in a row, or they just don't want to admit that it was obviously intentional.

Oh my...  Oh my...  Once again, that is not the only way to fail a captcha.  I tell you want, just to prove me wrong...  Why don't you do whatever you have to to get a captcha to show up, then pretend it isn't there as if you didn't see it, and keep clicking to view solar systems.  Once you have viewed several more pages, let us know what happened.

Point being, there is more than one way to fail a captcha.

So....just so we can quote you on this....it's your opinion that Angel Blue was suspended due to incompetence and not intentionally. Is that correct?

I just want to make sure I've got you right here. You honestly believe that even though she has admitted to using this exact same tactic before, that it was purely because she doesn't know how to use her browser?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 07:57:14 PM
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I just want to make sure I've got you right here. You honestly believe that even though she has admitted to using this exact same tactic before, that it was purely because she doesn't know how to use her browser?

YES! I got suspended several months for missing a captcha because I do not know how to use the browser, therefore I believe her

I also add that you should come more often to the forums and you will find several players suspended for the same reason, because they do not know how to use their browsers...however you are posting only on this thread, therefore you never read the forums...and your only interest is to stir up this situation...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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I just want to make sure I've got you right here. You honestly believe that even though she has admitted to using this exact same tactic before, that it was purely because she doesn't know how to use her browser?

YES! I got suspended several months for missing a captcha because I do not know how to use the browser, therefore I believe her

Nice. Who here believes Andy?

Yeah....me neither.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "kriss515"
Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!


And If I recall that case, she was not under an attack at the time, she lost her internet and wanted to save herself.  Because we don't have a policy of seeing a players fleets sitting out and offline and log in for them to FRS, she did what she thought was best.  Was it the best answer, probably not.  If I recall, it was the only thing she could think of at the time.  But it was done, and BFGing didn't penalize her for it.  Meanwhile, that is not this topic.

So....what? It's ok to cheat as long as you aren't under attack?

I'm just trying to follow your logic here.

Huh? Wow, what a jump that is.  Once again, that is not this topic.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:00:35 PM
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Nice. Who here believes Andy?

Who cares what you believe?

Instead of posting no sense, do a research on the forum and find out how many players have been suspended for missing a captcha...
I am sure that you are good enough with your browser to do such search.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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Nice. Who here believes Andy?

Who cares what you believe?

Instead of posting no sense, do a research on the forum and find out how many players have been suspended for missing a captcha...
I am sure that you are good enough with your browser to do such search.
I do.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: "kriss515"
So even though it was allowed by bfg for someone to fs her she chose to get herself suspended. Now here she is again using the same tactic but we have to forget earlier transgressions.

This is not the current topic.  If you want to review some other topic, either post in that topic or make a new one.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 08:07:48 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
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if she convinces BFG that some error occurred she'll get her ships back and might get lost production back as well..

BFG has done moves like that before... If that happens... the (s) makes sense and Angel will in effect lose nothing...

Victor, please let me know which player got ships back and lost production back for a missed captcha.
I am not aware of it, but you might know better than me, unless you are just making an assumption of the result of the ruling.

 :evil: The idea is to convince BFG it was a bug in the system that caused the losses and not operator error... intentional or otherwise... If the argument is made that this was a game bug and she is convincing enough, she has a fair to moderate chance to get her stuff back...

 The best example I can give you off the top of my head is Bodge, who pasted a white screen on a trouble ticket and received his heph/ships back because he made the argument that it was a game bug and not a legitimate trap that caused his destruction...

 There are others out there that have done similar and received their ships/resources back..

 I'm not going to dig through threads and find them all just to prove something that is common knowledge by those of us that have been around a bit..

 So yes.. in the event that BFG is convinced it was a game bug they can and sometimes will return all ships/lost resources... Angel herself stated she didn't know whether BFG would give her ships back, which means that she asked...

 Like I said before.. I'll await ruling and we'll just see what happens...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:08:21 PM
Phil you still have to justify why you lied at the very first, you and Domina have lied on this subject.

Waiting for the reason why you claimed that the heph was locked and than Domina says was FRSEd...please explain
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 23, 2011, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Quote from: "kriss515"
Because you aren't actually answering the questions.You are skirting them. Bending them. If you believed she shouldn't have her ships back it would be because she isn't telling the truth. It wasn't a mistake. By the way Ashen it was a previous forum thread that she admitted to using the captcha to get put into (s)! Maybe you should read all the threads before you start shaming us!


And If I recall that case, she was not under an attack at the time, she lost her internet and wanted to save herself.  Because we don't have a policy of seeing a players fleets sitting out and offline and log in for them to FRS, she did what she thought was best.  Was it the best answer, probably not.  If I recall, it was the only thing she could think of at the time.  But it was done, and BFGing didn't penalize her for it.  Meanwhile, that is not this topic.

it took away the opportunity to attack her heph she knew she was surounded by 3 players myself included so she opted to fail the capture instead of loosing her heph. and all 3 of the attackers were in the same system as her heph. to me thats cheating  !!!! sorry
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil you still have to justify why you lied at the very first, you and Domina have lied on this subject.

Waiting for the reason why you claimed that the heph was locked and than Domina says was FRSEd...please explain


I think the bigger and more concerning question is why you sit there and defend someone who was obviously attempting (and failing miserably) to cheat the system?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil you still have to justify why you lied at the very first, you and Domina have lied on this subject.

Waiting for the reason why you claimed that the heph was locked and than Domina says was FRSEd...please explain
I said I suspected the heph was locked. I was on my mobile at the time so I dont know all the little details.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:13:40 PM
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The best example I can give you off the top of my head is Bodge, who pasted a white screen on a trouble ticket and received his heph/ships back because he made the argument that it was a game bug and not a legitimate trap that caused his destruction...

There are others out there that have done similar and received their ships/resources back..

I'm not going to dig through threads and find them all just to prove something that is common knowledge by those of us that have been around a bit..

So yes.. in the event that BFG is convinced it was a game bug they can and sometimes will return all ships/lost resources... Angel herself stated she didn't know whether BFG would give her ships back, which means that she asked...

I agree with you, about the game bug...but BFG stated several times that a captcha is not a game bug, no matter how its shows.
She will not get back any ships or res! It is no fair, because BFG always stated that a failed captcha is a failure of the player.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil you still have to justify why you lied at the very first, you and Domina have lied on this subject.

Waiting for the reason why you claimed that the heph was locked and than Domina says was FRSEd...please explain
I said I suspected the heph was locked. I was on my mobile at the time so I dont know all the little details.

You did not say suspected

your words are the following

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An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Phil Sutherland on May 23, 2011, 08:15:04 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Phil you still have to justify why you lied at the very first, you and Domina have lied on this subject.

Waiting for the reason why you claimed that the heph was locked and than Domina says was FRSEd...please explain
I said I suspected the heph was locked. I was on my mobile at the time so I dont know all the little details.

You did not say suspected

your words are the following

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An alliance mate of yours Angel Blue abused a bug to get herself suspended in order to avoid her heph getting killed.
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
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it took away the opportunity to attack her heph she knew she was surounded by 3 players myself included so she opted to fail the capture instead of loosing her heph. and all 3 of the attackers were in the same system as her heph. to me thats cheating !!!! sorry

Get is straight...Domina just stated
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since the heph was already FS-

Explain how to lose a heph that is FRSed...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
And what does his statement have to do with her cheating? It doesn't have anything to do with it!
Andy Nard  insert slight of hand here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>look here please
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 08:21:08 PM
I think it's universally agreed that her putting herself in (s) mode was dumb, no one is disputing that.

So the question of the Heph is also moot.

The real point here is that she used an illegal tactic by exploiting the Captcha. She's done it before, and it's reasonable and logical to assume she did it again.

THAT is the point of all of this.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 23, 2011, 08:21:47 PM
yes sorry andy i refering to the history of failing the captchas this player has
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
what's to love andy ??? since I knocked out her herc fleet----she had no ships to move the res---and no dions for a 2nd run on the debris pile.............so


42 mill in debris sitting on colony----I got half
Lots of ships lost in her attack on doppler
Can't move that pile on colony since I hit her
hercs and she can't move
Since heph is FS----can't send more cargos to pick it up


So---not only did she lose her ability to move the res she had sitting--she lost a ton of ships--and a 2nd run with dions.
Now---she has to replace all her losses out of her own pocket..................


and no fat harvest to help............
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
Victor I am sorry but I cannot post anything on this thread, with players lying about the facts and other players that when confronted with their lies are just playing fun with me.

All this thread at the end has just proven the ill intention of the OP and the all the one that supported him are here to twist facts and saying lies, they are not even able to put together a convincing story and they contradict themselves, when this happen they just make fun of me...posting nothing just to make my posts to go over one page.

It is a waste of time, I liked to discuss with Victor those issue and you wish we can continue on PMs.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 23, 2011, 08:25:45 PM
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Can't move that pile on colony since I hit her
hercs and she can't move

Another lie, you did not hit her hercs, you hit her hercs because she was "S", keep twisting the facts...if she did not go S you would not have hit the hercs...
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: TaterDog on May 23, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
Wow, 29 pages for a captcha. Bodge entering the slander contest when in Arwen (s) he said they wouldn't (or couldn't explain, whichever).

BFG will figure this out. I haven't seen the complete list of rules for the game yet, but, I am sure that this will continue on wasting time over a "bug" that hasn't been proven yet. Mistakes happen and this will be another slandering post that dies in the wind with all the others.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"

So....just so we can quote you on this....it's your opinion that Angel Blue was suspended due to incompetence and not intentionally. Is that correct?

I just want to make sure I've got you right here. You honestly believe that even though she has admitted to using this exact same tactic before, that it was purely because she doesn't know how to use her browser?

Oh my, what a jackass statement that is.  Please show where I said that.

Also, what she did before is a different topic, as well as done differently.

Why do you have to twist what people say?  It is like that old game where you get 100 people standing next to each other, whisper into the first persons ear "The boyscout helped the old lady cross the street" and each person is to repeat that by whispering into the next person ear.  By time it gets to the end it comes out "The evil boyscout dragged this old broad into the middle of the street and kicked her down in front of a moving car"   Only in this case, it is worse because you can look back to what was typed, but no, you have to change it around.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 08:28:42 PM
I'm not twisting words here....there are truly only 2 possible conclusions.

1. She failed the Captcha due to incompetence.

or

2. She failed it intentionally.

I just wanted to make sure you clearly stated which side of that fence you were on.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: "andy nard1"
Victor I am sorry but I cannot post anything on this thread, with players lying about the facts and other players that when confronted with their lies are just playing fun with me.

All this thread at the end has just proven the ill intention of the OP and the all the one that supported him are here to twist facts and saying lies, they are not even able to put together a convincing story and they contradict themselves, when this happen they just make fun of me...posting nothing just to make my posts to go over one page.

It is a waste of time, I liked to discuss with Victor those issue and you wish we can continue on PMs.

Funny we are saying the same thing about you!  I guess you really don't have an answer! Just say it! Geez Louis! Stop defending it.The battle is lost. Going (s) may save you.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I think the bigger and more concerning question is why you sit there and defend someone who was obviously attempting (and failing miserably) to cheat the system?

Oh my, Oh my...  Please post where it was said that she attempted to cheat the system.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: kriss515 on May 23, 2011, 08:37:26 PM
Insert Ashen--Shugar slight of hand here!>>>>>>>>>>>>look over there!
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Ashen--Shugar on May 23, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I'm not twisting words here....there are truly only 2 possible conclusions.

1. She failed the Captcha due to incompetence.

or

2. She failed it intentionally.

I just wanted to make sure you clearly stated which side of that fence you were on.

Oh my - Only 2 possible conclusions??? :?  :?  :?

NOT!  Just maybe something happened in her house causing her to look away from the screen and miss seeing the captcha, then continuing with what she was doing which would trigger the captcha as failed and she is suspended.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you, so don't go and state otherwise.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 23, 2011, 09:21:49 PM
:twisted: If we keep this up... We can beat Tuhis's Kid's in a sandbox post...

  :evil: Look... I personally don't have anything against AA Alliance... Personally I could care less what alliance he/she is in... it's really a moot point..

 This whole event started 2 nights ago when a battle occurred between Angel and Doppler...

 Domina was next door and missed the initial battle, but was able to lock the return harvest...

 Somehow, someway... halfway through the battle Angel went (s)..

 The Event made it here, on the forums...

 1. We can argue the lock... unknown because (s) appeared and makes that argument moot...

 2. We can argue whether the (s) was intentional or not. Unknown and unprovable, but suspicious in my opinion...
 
 3. The hercs on the colony and their ability to move the loot is also moot... The (s) made it so...

 :evil: At this point I just hope that it becomes a straight (s) and no ships/loot is returned to anyone at this juncture... We'll have to wait and see...

 
 It would have been nice had the (s) not happened and this would have just been another battle in some galaxy that everyone would soon forget...  :evil:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: HellsLoss on May 23, 2011, 10:58:18 PM
Going to sound dumb here but I've never had a capthca, not even sure how you make one happen (or how it happens naturally) lol
I guess I've been fortunate not to have one from the amount of people that get them and to hear of them getting failed.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 11:16:40 PM
I'm really not sure.....I've been banging away on my keyboard like Roseanne Barr attacking her dinnerplate, and I have yet to be able to get a single Captcha to appear.

Hittin' it like Arnold in a roomfull of maids...

Poking away like Bill Clinton on his first day in office...

Slapping it like Pee-Wee Herman in an adult theatre....

Yeah.....the analogies just keep coming here.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mephistopheles on May 23, 2011, 11:31:08 PM
I have got them from scanning galaxies too quickly and clicking on planets to keep them active. I have never failed a single captcha yet even while being attacked and I have been playing awhile.

The whole scenario has been blown to bits. I find it funny that it keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

the odds of it being legit are slim to none, but the point is moot as BFG will deal with it and we might hear about the result if lucky.

BTW love the animated GIF signiture!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 23, 2011, 11:40:19 PM
I've been playing since SFCO----going on 4 years now----and I have had a total of 4 CAPTCHAS


Kudos to Bad Horse...............LOVE the animation.....................:)
oh, and the signature....................:)
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 23, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
The image was stolen, the comedy was reality and my sense of humor is free.

 :D
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Jacq on May 24, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: "domina"
I've been playing since SFCO----going on 4 years now----and I have had a total of 4 CAPTCHAS

Seriously I know it may seem like forever to some people but SFCO started August 2009 which is not quite 2 years.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 24, 2011, 12:11:05 AM
well then--my bad..................feels like 4 years.............:)
OK---so in 2 years I have gotten 4 captchas
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 24, 2011, 12:11:47 AM
Quote from: "Jacq"
Quote from: "domina"
I've been playing since SFCO----going on 4 years now----and I have had a total of 4 CAPTCHAS

Seriously I know it may seem like forever to some people but SFCO started August 2009 which is not quite 2 years.

Must be 4 years 'server time'

LOL....no really....it probably just feels like it's been that long for many people.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 24, 2011, 12:27:05 AM
:twisted: Well.. Going on those timeframes.. I feel like I've been playing this game for Decades.. :twisted:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: domina on May 24, 2011, 01:27:40 AM
BTW---to andy nard
I don't know who you think you are ----but demanding my BFG report....................really ????
I'll repeat---just in case you don't understand...................I don't know who you think you are ----but demanding my BFG report....................really ????
Oh---and I did copy/paste that last part..........:) have a nice day
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: HellsLoss on May 24, 2011, 01:36:33 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
I'm really not sure.....I've been banging away on my keyboard like Roseanne Barr attacking her dinnerplate, and I have yet to be able to get a single Captcha to appear.

Hittin' it like Arnold in a roomfull of maids...

Poking away like Bill Clinton on his first day in office...

Slapping it like Pee-Wee Herman in an adult theatre....

Yeah.....the analogies just keep coming here.

Hilarious, always nice to have a bit of comedy on these things.

I guess I haven't been scanning through galaxies or hitting refresh enough or fast enough.  I'm not going to ruin my luck though, I don't want them popping up when I'm in the middle of something important and am just on my iPhone or something and have to type that damn thing in.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Sid82 on May 24, 2011, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: "Ashen--Shugar"
Oh my - Only 2 possible conclusions???      

NOT! Just maybe something happened in her house causing her to look away from the screen and miss seeing the captcha, then continuing with what she was doing which would trigger the captcha as failed and she is suspended.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you, so don't go and state otherwise.

Taht scenario doesn't fit any better than the rest of the explanation AA are trying to put out about this. If something in her home made her look away and the captcha popped up, it would have still been there when she looked back at the screen.

Quote from: "andy nard1"
I agree with you, about the game bug...but BFG stated several times that a captcha is not a game bug, no matter how its shows.
She will not get back any ships or res! It is no fair, because BFG always stated that a failed captcha is a failure of the player.

Doesn't really matter what the policy is on giving things back when a player gets a captcha if she spins it the right way. All she has to do is provide a screenshot of a white screen and say it was a bug, not even mention the captcha and they could give the ships back based on that information.

Quote from: "andy nard1"
Victor I am sorry but I cannot post anything on this thread, with players lying about the facts and other players that when confronted with their lies are just playing fun with me.

You haven't given a reasonable explanation about what happened yet. In that case, you and AA are the ones lying about what happened. Doesn't matter, I'm done with this thread, it isn't going anywhere because you refuse to give a logical and satisfactory explanation about what happened. If you get your story straight and come up with a satisfactory explanation, feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mr Crowley on May 24, 2011, 03:13:28 AM
The fact that this craptastrophe of a thread hasnt been closed 20 pages ago will never cease to amaze me.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 24, 2011, 03:22:53 AM
Cause it had too many LOLz in it.

C'mon now....who didn't giggle at the thought of Mohammed Ali performing surgery?   :lol:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 24, 2011, 03:25:12 AM
i realy dont know why people are having a go at andydrea nard,kip ect myself they havnt done anything wrong per say.
the only person who is suspected of wrong doing is angel who has posted only once i think. why is she relying on others to fight her battles ? does she not have a voice or somthing ?
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: andy nard1 on May 24, 2011, 03:39:19 AM
Quote
the only person who is suspected of wrong doing is angel who has posted only once i think. why is she relying on others to fight her battles ? does she not have a voice or somthing ?

Sorry Max, you missed the point, this thread has been started by Phil as a smear campaign against me and the alliance.
Angel is just the instrument, she already said what she had to say. Victor is the only person that has put down some credible comments.
Most of the other posters, have lied at least once in their quest of discrediting me and my alliance. Starting with Phil that demanded the removal of Angel from the alliance, because he already decided that she is guilty, going to Kriss that stated he was ready to attack the heph, when Domina said the heph was FRSed...and many more.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Mr Crowley on May 24, 2011, 03:42:27 AM
Quote from: "Bad Horse"
Cause it had too many LOLz in it.

C'mon now....who didn't giggle at the thought of Mohammed Ali performing surgery?   :lol:


Good point, its like asking Michael J Fox to stand still or to expect Stephen Hawking to rise up and boogy.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 24, 2011, 04:04:13 AM
well i know this is an E2 thread but in E1 i have a planet only 2 or 3 systems away from angel i have noticed on 3 seperate occations of angel having an S by her name. one of the occations i know was somthing to do with the captcha but what i was wondering is how did she earn the suspention the other 2 occations? i know i will probly have to ask her that question
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 24, 2011, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: "maxmission"
well i know this is an E2 thread but in E1 i have a planet only 2 or 3 systems away from angel i have noticed on 3 seperate occations of angel having an S by her name. one of the occations i know was somthing to do with the captcha but what i was wondering is how did she earn the suspention the other 2 occations? i know i will probly have to ask her that question

Wow...you really aren't helping Andy's case here. LOL
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: maxmission on May 24, 2011, 04:17:15 AM
i have nothing against andy. like andy i just want to know the truth. it is not an attack on andy what so ever. just questions concerning the same player
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 24, 2011, 04:59:43 AM
Quote from: "maxmission"
i have nothing against andy. like andy i just want to know the truth. it is not an attack on andy what so ever. just questions concerning the same player


Agreed.

I guess at this point it should be noted that Angel Blue is still (s). There could be a couple reasons why...

1. BFG is backed up on tickets, might be taking them awhile to get to hers.

2. BFG has released the suspension, but she hasn't tried to login yet.

3. BFG agreed that it was a valid suspension and it hasn't expired yet.

I actually placed that in order of likelihood.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Bad Horse on May 24, 2011, 06:05:41 AM
I guess there will be no redemption for AA today....questions still remain.

So...we've had the questionable circumstances on 5/21/2011 and the circumstances of about a month ago.....and now the circumstances of several times before....

Yet AA believes it's all very innocent.

So.....when does AA start believing that they have a cheater in their midst? When does AA start to care?

Exactly how obvious does it have to get before AA disavows the actions of people cheating in their alliance?

When, Andy? When?

Oh....never.

I forgot that you made that clear throughout this thread. You will NEVER acknowledge what is obvious to everyone else, and that's ok....cause we will know the truth. Even if you don't acknowledge it.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: the enforcer on May 24, 2011, 09:34:57 AM
wait how is missing a capthca cheating? whether intended or not should have no bearing if the person is cheating. also (s) doesn't = cheating you can also get them for foul launguage and spamming.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Admiral Robodo on May 24, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
The fact that this craptastrophe of a thread hasnt been closed 20 pages ago will never cease to amaze me.

+1  :roll:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Lytjohan_ on May 24, 2011, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: "Kip Shiller"
wiped? 2k dios.... she loses more in 3 days mines (cuz it was a friday) that those dios and res are worth. and it only takes one missed captcha vs 11 failed. if she filled in the first one and didnt see another tab that had one its instant suspension.

there are players like that, victor. but angels pretty level headed.


hmmm - have to disagree there - angel is def. not level headed.... she has shown in the past that pettiness is in her vocabulary....
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Alexis on May 24, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
Well... It sure didn't take you long to come boasting and accusing on a public forum without knowing ALL the facts.

From what I have seen, you did get a LOT of DSP and a huge debris field. How much was it again? 10 million or was it 15 millions.  There was no reason for her to try to cheat, as you imply, because she lost a heck of a lot and your profit was quite substantial.

With a 6 second margin, she was nervous and trying to practice how to get out of it quickly and missed a captcha. So, before accusing people of cheating, why don't you shut your gob and engage your brain to consider all the possible reasons and implications??  Uh??

See you soon!!!

 :ugeek:



Quote from: "Phil Sutherland"
Today a member of the AA alliance used a Captcha suspension in an attempt to save their fleet. It partially failed.
Still they were exploiting a bug and should be reset.
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Alexis on May 24, 2011, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: "Admiral Robodo"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
The fact that this craptastrophe of a thread hasn't been closed 20 pages ago will never cease to amaze me.

+1  :roll:


I agree!!  +1000

Moderators, please, time to lock this childish thread.  Sigh...

 :ugeek:
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: Victor Doom on May 24, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
:evil: It was an unfortunate incident... it really wasn't about the loot... but the interruption to the flow of battle.. I watched this unfold from the Galaxy screen and I know the parties involved...

 We can't know how good the lock is.. we can't know a lot of things... as I said before... would have been nice for the (s) in the middle of events to have not happened.. but it did..
Title: Re: Is it legal to use a Captcha to avoid an attack
Post by: justacarnie on May 24, 2011, 06:55:04 PM
Topic is being Locked. Flame wars can be fought through pm's, not through topics.