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Starfleet Commander => Extreme Universe 2 => Topic started by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 05:13:58 PM

Title: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 05:13:58 PM
X2 is still not profitable.
Been playing this version from day one.
Never wanted to go on v mode (first time ever), but did yesterday.
Will return when it becomes profitable again.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Matt H on June 08, 2013, 05:58:34 PM
Without you sharing the battle reports of what you consider unprofitable I can't really comment on the situation further.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 07:19:17 PM
Sorry, I was not aware I must provide battle reports I have not launched on.  Every large battle I have calced out is unprofitable for me.  I will not attack something just to provide a battle report of me losing my fleet.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 07:25:55 PM
I am sorry Matt.  Not trying to be a rude.  Just wishing I could find large profitable NPC's to attack.  I have been playing since the beginning and have attacked plenty to know what is profitable or not.  I have not found many (as before) that give me a profit.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 07:47:14 PM
How am I supposed to catch Boris w/o the big hits?  lol

I will miss trying to catch up to you Boris!
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 07:54:40 PM
I would sure like to see a couple profitable "large" NPC attacks (over 30B resources harvested) posted here so I could decide to return or not. 

anyone...
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Matt H on June 08, 2013, 08:19:20 PM
What is 'profitable' to you? lord richhawk posted a number of battle reports in another thread that were 'unprofitable' to him, despite making a 22B converted resource profit.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 08, 2013, 08:34:19 PM
when I come out of V mode I will post them or send them to you. 
Thank you Matt for listening to me.
I appreciate it

Would still like to see anyone making profit on the big ones.  Don't have to post screen shots or anything.  Just say you are finding some would work for me.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: new starr federation on June 08, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
nope ur right..ive been trying to find good ones but none around..unless u think ones like this are profitable..ive got a huge fleet and i wont touch this..


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.

RESOURCES:
* ore: 67,450,498 
* crystal: 89,727,284 
* hydrogen: 75,996,147 
================================
Total plunder: 116,586,964 (933 carm / 4664 herc / 23318 atlas)
DSP: 34,432,928.5 (918538 Dios / 3674150 Zags)

URCATH'S SHIPS:
* Artemis Class Fighter: 154,315
* Atlas Class Cargo: 303,394
* Apollo Class Fighter: 14,026
* Zagreus Class Recycler: 15,857
* Hercules Class Cargo: 62,957
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 306,893
* Poseidon Class Cruiser: 34,902
* Carmanor Class Cargo: 50,789
* Athena Class Battleship: 117,951
* Ares Class Bomber: 99,749
* Hades Class Battleship: 101,731
* Prometheus Class Destroyer: 247,827
* Zeus Class: 198

DEFENSES:
* Missile Battery: 23,215,382
* Laser Cannon: 9,530,723
* Pulse Cannon: 875,045
* Particle Cannon: 2,037,191
* Decoy: 1
* Gauss Cannon: 275,628
* Large Decoy: 1
* Plasma Cannon: 118,969

TECHS:
* Armor Tech: 23
* Weapons Tech: 23
* Shield Tech: 23



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i hit these yesterday and figured i might lose a little more than the mentat said but instead i lost twice as much..i had to re-calc the battle with weapons 40 instead of its tech 19 to get these results..

what a waste of fuel..

Distance: 4790.0
Duration: 00:29:51
Hydrogen consumption: 406150373..

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and i was short scooping and i even sent 20% more dios than the original calc sim said i would need..

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In the attack from ☢AREA 51☢ ‎‎[1:64:9] on Large Floating Colony ‎‎[1:42:12]:

The attacking side acquired 1,919,010 ore, 42,667,169 crystal, and 28,253,980 hydrogen.

Urcath (DEFENDER) lost 11,444,026 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (more)
new starr federation (ATTACKER) lost 3,408,854 RSP and gained 3,969,566 DSP. (less)
  * Contributed 60,555,539 RSP to the battle.
  * Lost 2,548,203,000 ore, 856,901,000 crystal, and 3,750,000 hydrogen in damages.
  * Acquired 1,919,010 ore, 42,667,169 crystal, and 28,253,980 hydrogen in plunder.

  * Lost 841411 of 11111111 Artemis Class Fighters   (10269700 remain).
  * Lost    366 of   111111 Athena Class Battleships (  110745 remain).
  * Lost    250 of   111111 Hades Class Battleships  (  110861 remain).
       


1,968,754,800 ore and 1,176,763,350 crystal are now floating at this location.



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here is the other i sent at the same time..



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In the attack from ☢AREA 51☢ ‎‎[1:64:9] on Large Floating Colony ‎‎[1:43:8]:

The attacking side acquired 9,056,695 ore, 15,438,222 crystal, and 11,804,663 hydrogen.

Urcath (DEFENDER) lost 12,197,538 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (more)
new starr federation (ATTACKER) lost 3,652,373 RSP and gained 4,283,045 DSP. (less)
  * Contributed 64,999,983 RSP to the battle.
  * Lost 2,731,011,000 ore, 917,687,000 crystal, and 3,675,000 hydrogen in damages.
  * Acquired 9,056,695 ore, 15,438,222 crystal, and 11,804,663 hydrogen in plunder.

  * Lost 902817 of 12222222 Artemis Class Fighters   (11319405 remain).
  * Lost    338 of   111111 Athena Class Battleships (  110773 remain).
  * Lost    245 of   111111 Hades Class Battleships  (  110866 remain).
       


2,074,866,000 ore and 1,284,590,550 crystal are now floating at this location.




WHATS THE PROBLEM MATT??? WHY CANT YOUR GUYS GET THESE FIXED..????????


i wouldnt be ready to raise hell if i took heavier losses than normal..but losses like these are going to drive all of us away from this once kool game..not so kool now with the recent bullcrap u implemented..excuse my foul language but im fighting to keep this game worth playing..and ive been paying good $money$ to play these days..









Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: LittleDaveHedgehog on June 09, 2013, 10:48:58 AM
Matt will class all hits as profitable if you get more res than you lost - because you lose out big style on hydro you are still up on ore and crystal, bfg profit because you HAVE TO PAY to merc it back to the lost hydro... Thats why I quit

[removed portion in violation of forum rules - Matt H]
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: The Blood King on June 09, 2013, 05:12:46 PM
Just be happy with your rank instead of catching boris, remember the rank boris had was bought and you played from day one, your accomplishments are your own.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: LittleDaveHedgehog on June 09, 2013, 06:21:01 PM
Sorry Matt, I didn't realise giving it away was against the forum rules - I had no intention of selling or trading.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 02:27:47 AM
I came out of v mode and I do not have anything to share.  I had deleted all of my messages before I went into v mode.  Sorry
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 02:35:31 AM
I can however share with you what I consider a profitable NPC from a post I made a long time ago.
http://forum.playstarfleet.com/index.php?topic=18167.45

Below is an example of the most profitable NPC out there (in my opinion) and still is out there.
There is only one of these out there daily.  If there were a lot more of these the game would probably be more enjoyable for all.

The ZERO techs are the key to profitability.


Encounter Large Floating Colony... has:
RESOURCES:
* ore: 52,141,317
* crystal: 64,534,134
* hydrogen: 53,089,770
================================
Total plunder: 84,882,610 (680 carm / 3396 herc / 16977 atlas)
DSP: 31,244,534 (442935 Dios / 1771737 Zags)

URCATH'S SHIPS:
* Artemis Class Fighter: 655,481
* Atlas Class Cargo: 619,313
* Apollo Class Fighter: 341,702
* Zagreus Class Recycler: 253,879
* Hercules Class Cargo: 223,073
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 134,104
* Poseidon Class Cruiser: 92,725
* Carmanor Class Cargo: 60,833
* Athena Class Battleship: 56,569
* Ares Class Bomber: 30,816
* Hades Class Battleship: 24,569
* Prometheus Class Destroyer: 23,209

DEFENSES:
* Missile Battery: 1,606,461
* Laser Cannon: 1,460,909
* Pulse Cannon: 340,980
* Particle Cannon: 287,420
* Gauss Cannon: 60,015
* Plasma Cannon: 9,176
* Decoy: 1
* Large Decoy: 1

TECHS:
* Armor Tech: 0
* Weapons Tech: 0
* Shield Tech: 0

The chance of your probes being intercepted is 0%
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 02:40:24 AM
They have changed to look like this now...
This was copied from my a post from my alliance page.
I do make a profit, but the hydro involved attacking this monster is huge.


11 days ago
In the attack from on Large Floating Colony ‎:

The attacking side acquired 39,918,072 ore, 82,273,215 crystal, and 55,568,761 hydrogen.

Urcath (DEFENDER) lost 243,902,076 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (less)

* Contributed 243,902,076 RSP to the battle.

* Lost 147,901,068,000 ore, 84,131,627,000 crystal, and 12,676,163,000 hydrogen in damages.


* Lost 3257002 of 3257002 Atlas Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 3675509 of 3675509 Artemis Class Fighters (0 remain).
* Lost 1613564 of 1613564 Apollo Class Fighters (0 remain).
* Lost 1383822 of 1383822 Zagreus Class Recyclers (0 remain).
* Lost 1072103 of 1072103 Hercules Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 682898 of 682898 Dionysus Class Recyclers (0 remain).
* Lost 428015 of 428015 Poseidon Class Cruisers (0 remain).
* Lost 365136 of 365136 Carmanor Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 269854 of 269854 Athena Class Battleships (0 remain).
* Lost 130131 of 130131 Hades Class Battleships (0 remain).
* Lost 144767 of 144767 Ares Class Bombers (0 remain).
* Lost 95091 of 95091 Prometheus Class Destroyers (0 remain).
* Lost 367 of 367 Zeus Classes (0 remain).
* Lost 8688852 of 8688852 Missile Batteries (0 remain).
* Lost 7719554 of 7719554 Laser Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1608959 of 1608959 Particle Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1900994 of 1900994 Pulse Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1 of 1 Decoys (0 remain).
* Lost 342145 of 342145 Gauss Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1 of 1 Large Decoys (0 remain).
* Lost 82313 of 82313 Plasma Cannons (0 remain).



psmitty (ATTACKER) lost 31,763,458 RSP and gained 79,822,732 DSP. (less)

* Lost 23,414,959,000 ore, 8,944,247,000 crystal, and 237,768,000 hydrogen in damages.


* Lost 3,894,334 Artemis Class Fighters
* Lost 1,667,032 Apollo Class Fighters
* Lost 39,399 Poseidon Class Cruisers
* Lost 10,215 Athena Class Battleships
* Lost 4,736 Hades Class Battleships
* Lost 1,169 Ares Class Bombers
* Lost 4,693 Prometheus Class Destroyers


35,032,950,000 ore and 19,953,741,000 crystal are now floating at this location.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 02:44:11 AM
Like I said, only one of these out per day.  Takes me about three hrs to look thru all nine galaxies a couple times a day just to find it.  lol

Should be a lot more daily for all to kill.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: The Soloist on June 10, 2013, 04:09:02 AM
You could always come play conquest...
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 04:22:33 AM
Already there playing.
Saw you in one of the systems today.  yelled hello, but I don't think you could hear me.  lol
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 10, 2013, 04:24:49 AM
Anyway, going to play a little more here in between attacks in conquest.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Boris Alden on June 11, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
Just be happy with your rank instead of catching boris, remember the rank boris had was bought and you played from day one, your accomplishments are your own.


Really all given to me was it!!  take your jealousy and take a hike.

I've put days weeks and months into this 16 hours a day.

I totally agree with PSMITTY the game is broken seriously.

With the changer to battle mechanics so everyone now loses more ships to replace ships costs hydro to get hydro in enough quantitiy it costs money.

The NPC defences have got out of control just bigger and bigger with less ships.

Only players with mass zeus can hit anything but they pay the price and lose much more zeus than they would before.

I have players going v and threatening to quit all over....

This is ending the game as we know it.....

You guys really seriously need to look at this else there is going to be no game to play.....
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Azureflames on June 11, 2013, 12:50:27 AM
How much hydro would an NPC have to carry in order for things to be "O-Kay".

I only play conquest and I don't farm NPCs with mass Zeus so I'm used to losing out on hydro every attack. It's annoying but it's not the end of the world for me. The hydro lost in these attacks seems to be similar ratios to what I am losing when I make attacks.

Reading through some of these posts make me think that people got comfortable not having to worry much at all about hydro and now it is a shock to their system.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Boris Alden on June 11, 2013, 01:04:19 AM
Azureflames this is an X2 post makes you unqualified.

Imagine 150m ships FRS 500m per 8 hrs sleep.

You need to hit NPCs to merch yes pay BFG money to get more hydro.

When more ships are lost that involve hydro the game will grind to a halt.

People are all going v or just quitting.

The fleets in Conquest are no where near as big but they will be what should be learnt here by BFG should help Conquest in the future.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Diz Bus Coord on June 11, 2013, 01:08:32 AM
That assumes that BFG understands the message, I don't think that they do
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 01:15:15 AM
I just launched on my usual "ZERO TECHS" NPC.  It cost me about 9 Billion hydro to launch on it with a "dion" just to make a point that this is version is broken.  I will be posting the results after I land it.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
Here is what I am attacking...
With "ZERO TECHS" I should wipe this thing out with minimal losses and BIG TIME gains.



To: psmitty
Date: 2013-06-12 01:30:29 UTC
Encounter Large Floating Colony ‎.....  has:

RESOURCES:
* ore: 95,761,620
* crystal: 165,141,615
* hydrogen: 111,173,936

URCATH'S SHIPS:
* Artemis Class Fighter: 4,079,376
* Atlas Class Cargo: 3,542,128
* Apollo Class Fighter: 1,866,456
* Zagreus Class Recycler: 1,563,164
* Hercules Class Cargo: 1,168,378
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 763,032
* Poseidon Class Cruiser: 542,070
* Carmanor Class Cargo: 405,319
* Athena Class Battleship: 265,108
* Ares Class Bomber: 149,538
* Hades Class Battleship: 146,544
* Prometheus Class Destroyer: 118,280

DEFENSES:
* Missile Battery: 9,589,226
* Laser Cannon: 8,547,551
* Pulse Cannon: 2,124,790
* Particle Cannon: 1,664,627
* Decoy: 1
* Gauss Cannon: 408,227
* Large Decoy: 1
* Plasma Cannon: 92,209

TECHS:
* Armor Tech: 0
* Shield Tech: 0
* Weapons Tech: 0

Attack | Espionage | Harvest


The chance of your probes being intercepted is 0%
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 02:15:51 AM
Before the game changed to its current form the battle calc should be like this...


DSP gained: 87,079,453   

Ore   Crystal   Hydrogen   Total
Plundered   47,881k   82,571k   55,587k   186,039k
Harvested   33,501,930k   19,820,446k      53,322,376k
Missiles           
Fuel         -1,267,752k   -1,267,752k
Losses   -9,658,550k   -3,220,294k   -4,664k   -12,883,508k
RSP   23,891,261k   16,682,723k   -1,216,829k   39,357,154k
DSP            87,079,453k
Total            126,436,607k

with losses ...
Arties -2,567,648
apollo -318,146
pos -2,332
athena -2
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 03:24:36 AM
Drats!  They must have fixed it.   I won
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 03:33:47 AM
In the attack from ..... on Large Floating Colony ‎‎‎..... :

The attacking side acquired 47,880,810 ore, 82,570,807 crystal, and 55,586,968 hydrogen.

Urcath (DEFENDER) lost 267,839,485 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (less)

* Contributed 267,839,485 RSP to the battle.

* Lost 162,867,372,500 ore, 91,933,818,500 crystal, and 13,971,522,000 hydrogen in damages.


* Lost 3542128 of 3542128 Atlas Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 4079376 of 4079376 Artemis Class Fighters (0 remain).
* Lost 1866456 of 1866456 Apollo Class Fighters (0 remain).
* Lost 1563164 of 1563164 Zagreus Class Recyclers (0 remain).
* Lost 1168378 of 1168378 Hercules Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 763032 of 763032 Dionysus Class Recyclers (0 remain).
* Lost 542070 of 542070 Poseidon Class Cruisers (0 remain).
* Lost 405319 of 405319 Carmanor Class Cargos (0 remain).
* Lost 265108 of 265108 Athena Class Battleships (0 remain).
* Lost 146544 of 146544 Hades Class Battleships (0 remain).
* Lost 149538 of 149538 Ares Class Bombers (0 remain).
* Lost 118280 of 118280 Prometheus Class Destroyers (0 remain).
* Lost 9589226 of 9589226 Missile Batteries (0 remain).
* Lost 8547551 of 8547551 Laser Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1664627 of 1664627 Particle Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 2124790 of 2124790 Pulse Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1 of 1 Decoys (0 remain).
* Lost 408227 of 408227 Gauss Cannons (0 remain).
* Lost 1 of 1 Large Decoys (0 remain).
* Lost 92209 of 92209 Plasma Cannons (0 remain).



psmitty (ATTACKER) ....... and gained 87,079,453 DSP. (less)

* Contributed ...... to the battle.

* Lost 23,205,456,000 ore, 8,172,305,500 crystal, and 31,648,000 hydrogen in damages.

* Acquired 47,880,810 ore, 82,570,807 crystal, and 55,586,968 hydrogen in plunder.


* Lost 5896232 Artemis Class Fighters
* Lost 854517 Apollo Class Fighters
* Lost 0 Dionysus Class Recyclers
* Lost 14984 Poseidon Class Cruisers
* Lost 141 Carmanor Class Cargos
* Lost 1858 Athena Class Battleships
* Lost 94 Hades Class Battleships
* Lost 7 Ares Class Bombers
* Lost 11 Prometheus Class Destroyers


37,566,001,800 ore and 21,258,327,450 crystal are now floating at this location.
There was a 0.0% chance that a moon would form from the debris.
However, no moon formed.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: new starr federation on June 12, 2013, 03:39:50 AM
appears u thought i would lose 2.5m ships but lost 6.7m ships thats far from fixed..

a great target but not many like that around me thats for sure..im back to hunting real players..

Matt still hasnt explained how my battle i posted happened..lost over half a billion instead of gaining over a billion..
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 03:42:01 AM
The one I attacked was zero techs, not like most out there. 
I did better than I expected, but should have wiped it out with zero techs.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: psmitty on June 12, 2013, 04:42:59 AM
Well, I posted the above to help in some way.  Not sure if I did or not.
I still will not attack any regular NPC's until the battle calc's out there are updated with the new specs. 
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Boris Alden on June 12, 2013, 05:58:03 PM
Well your lucky to find a zero tech.

I would not send fast ships requiring that much hydro......

Just means more money down the drain to replace hydro used.

Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: new starr federation on June 17, 2013, 10:59:12 PM
Ok MATT im going to have to demand sum answers on this one..i decided to try a bigger battle so i sent extra dios and expected a bad outcome but over 3x the losses on this one is absolutely unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIX this problem or u can kiss my a$$ goodbye and my 50-100$ each month..






In the attack from St☆rr Dock ‎‎[1:xx:9m] on Large Floating Colony ‎‎[1:xx:15]:

The attacking side acquired 15,246,619 ore, 20,947,190 crystal, and 15,055,984 hydrogen.

Urcath (DEFENDER) lost 23,583,697 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (less)
  * Contributed 23,583,697 RSP to the battle.
  * Lost 14,116,490,500 ore, 7,802,974,500 crystal, and 1,668,312,000 hydrogen in damages.

  * Lost   36594 of   36594 Artemis Class Fighters      (0 remain).
  * Lost   63365 of   63365 Atlas Class Cargos          (0 remain).
  * Lost    8160 of    8160 Apollo Class Fighters       (0 remain).
  * Lost   12109 of   12109 Zagreus Class Recyclers     (0 remain).
  * Lost   13127 of   13127 Hercules Class Cargos       (0 remain).
  * Lost   45675 of   45675 Dionysus Class Recyclers    (0 remain).
  * Lost    8286 of    8286 Poseidon Class Cruisers     (0 remain).
  * Lost    7936 of    7936 Carmanor Class Cargos       (0 remain).
  * Lost   16075 of   16075 Athena Class Battleships    (0 remain).
  * Lost   12202 of   12202 Hades Class Battleships     (0 remain).
  * Lost   13346 of   13346 Ares Class Bombers          (0 remain).
  * Lost   34201 of   34201 Prometheus Class Destroyers (0 remain).
  * Lost      27 of      27 Zeus Classes                (0 remain).
  * Lost  943191 of  943191 Laser Cannons               (0 remain).
  * Lost 2222040 of 2222040 Missile Batteries           (0 remain).
  * Lost  126530 of  126530 Pulse Cannons               (0 remain).
  * Lost  316516 of  316516 Particle Cannons            (0 remain).
  * Lost       1 of       1 Decoys                      (0 remain).
  * Lost   41383 of   41383 Gauss Cannons               (0 remain).
  * Lost       1 of       1 Large Decoys                (0 remain).
  * Lost   18076 of   18076 Plasma Cannons              (0 remain).
       

new starr federation (ATTACKER) lost 8,353,964 RSP and gained 4,913,848 DSP. (less)
  * Contributed 187,666,462 RSP to the battle.
  * Lost 6,217,808,000 ore, 2,467,357,000 crystal, and 25,785,000 hydrogen in damages.
  * Acquired 15,246,619 ore, 20,947,190 crystal, and 15,055,984 hydrogen in plunder.

  * Lost 472752 of 2222222 Artemis Class Fighters      (1749470 remain).
  * Lost 713972 of 8888888 Apollo Class Fighters       (8174916 remain).
  * Lost   9566 of  999999 Athena Class Battleships    ( 990433 remain).
  * Lost    384 of   55555 Hades Class Battleships     (  55171 remain).
  * Lost    637 of  122222 Ares Class Bombers          ( 121585 remain).
  * Lost    698 of  255555 Prometheus Class Destroyers ( 254857 remain).
       


3,405,510,000 ore and 1,836,640,500 crystal are now floating at this location.



here was a normal calc sim...

http://battlementat.com/#aApollo=8888888&aAres=122222&aArmor=18&aArtemis=2222222&aAthena=999999&aJet=21&aLocation=1%3A64%3A9&aPoseidon=0&aPrometheus=255555&aPropulsionMechanic=1&aPulse=18&aShield=19&aSpeed=60&aWarp=16&aWeapons=18&aZeus=0&dApollo=8160&dAres=13346&dArmor=21&dArtemis=36594&dAthena=16075&dAtlas=63365&dCarmanor=7936&dCrystal=41894381&dDecoy=1&dDionysus=45675&dGauss=41383&dHades=12202&dHercules=13127&dHydrogen=30111968&dLarge=1&dLaser=943191&dLocation=1%3A66%3A15e&dMissile=2222040&dOre=30493239&dParticle=316516&dPlasma=18076&dPoseidon=8286&dPrometheus=34201&dPulse=126530&dRSP=29459800&dShield=21&dWeapons=21&dZagreus=12109&dZeus=27&universe=extreme2




here was what happened really...i had to bump up the calc sim on the NPC weapons tech to 58 yes weapons tech 58!!!!!!!!!

http://battlementat.com/#aApollo=8888888&aAres=122222&aArmor=18&aArtemis=2222222&aAthena=999999&aHades=55555&aJet=21&aLocation=1%3A64%3A9&aPoseidon=0&aPrometheus=255555&aPulse=18&aShield=19&aWarp=16&aWeapons=18&aZeus=0&dApollo=8160&dAres=13346&dArmor=21&dArtemis=36594&dAthena=16075&dAtlas=63365&dCarmanor=7936&dCrystal=41894381&dDecoy=1&dDionysus=45675&dGauss=41383&dHades=12202&dHercules=13127&dHydrogen=30111968&dLarge=1&dLaser=943191&dLocation=1%3A66%3A15e&dMissile=2222040&dOre=30493239&dParticle=316516&dPlasma=18076&dPoseidon=8286&dPrometheus=34201&dPulse=126530&dRSP=29459800&dShield=21&dWeapons=58&dZagreus=12109&dZeus=27&universe=extreme2


come on MATT and please dont give me the hogwash about its the calcs fault because its from a third party..thats jus lame..im very upset that i cant do large attacks due to the algorithm of larger battles..

this is plain retarded and u know it..

tell me how this kind of battle is deemed acceptable..i wasted half a BILLION fuel on this..thats crazy..
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Despicableme on June 19, 2013, 02:18:12 AM
See i would hit that... BUT i would not launch with all that fodder. YOU brought it over the 10M ship mark.... I would launch with 800K proms and 300K ares and walk with 900K clear along with 9M dsp or 4.5 whatever it is. thats at full speed.. add in recycler to slow it down... 1B clear


total ships losses for that battle

ares 10K
proms 8k


Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Jacq on June 19, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
Yeah I don't get why you are sending so many apollo for sure.       I simmed with 250K ares and 1,800K proms and got 1,779K RSP gain which is an acceptable gain for me.     
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: new starr federation on June 20, 2013, 01:54:32 PM
See i would hit that... BUT i would not launch with all that fodder. YOU brought it over the 10M ship mark.... I would launch with 800K proms and 300K ares and walk with 900K clear along with 9M dsp or 4.5 whatever it is. thats at full speed.. add in recycler to slow it down... 1B clear


total ships losses for that battle

ares 10K
proms 8k



i could have sent anything at it but it was a test to see if this issue had been fixed and it hasnt..why even have ships if u cant use them..its eventually going to effect even the prom attacks as we all grow..the point wasnt about keeping it under 10m..it was to give proof that we no longer can sent more than 10m ships in battle without horrific losses..i have tens of millions of ships that i cant even use because they screwed with the game after i invested in this fleet..i should be a able to trade in my useless ships for ones that i can lose if they cant fix the battle algorithm..this is a shady move on their part..i hold the #3 fleet spot in the uni and it means nothing if im not able to use them..i have even missed out on a few great large battles due to the broken game..i couldnt risk lossing all my ships because they wont have the large battles fixed and thats criminal if ya ask me..
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Callum Roberts on June 26, 2013, 09:23:13 PM
It is an issue, but the example you posted, waste one as you were responsible for putting in to large battle.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: new starr federation on July 17, 2013, 05:51:58 PM
so the algorithm still is out of balance..


target..

Encounter Large Floating Colony [3:375:8e] has:
RESOURCES:
* ore: 68,511,555 
* crystal: 118,992,323 
* hydrogen: 98,573,474 
================================
Total plunder: 143,038,676 (1145 carm / 5722 herc / 28608 atlas)
DSP: 30,971,974 (878104 Dios / 3512416 Zags)

KRUG'S SHIPS:
* Artemis Class Fighter: 53,131
* Atlas Class Cargo: 2,659,307
* Apollo Class Fighter: 17,190
* Zagreus Class Recycler: 19,412
* Hercules Class Cargo: 317,111
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 586,857
* Poseidon Class Cruiser: 7,897
* Carmanor Class Cargo: 476,762
* Athena Class Battleship: 66,399
* Ares Class Bomber: 775
* Hades Class Battleship: 104,270
* Prometheus Class Destroyer: 6,913
* Zeus Class: 524

DEFENSES:
* Missile Battery: 16,221,038
* Laser Cannon: 9,284,146
* Pulse Cannon: 874,087
* Particle Cannon: 2,742,131
* Decoy: 1
* Gauss Cannon: 205,762
* Large Decoy: 1
* Plasma Cannon: 104,489

TECHS:
* Armor Tech: 19
* Weapons Tech: 19
* Shield Tech: 19



battle report..


new starr federation led an attack on Krug at Large Floating Colony ‎‎[3:375:8].
The following emerged from battle after 6 Round(s)

*****Attacker: new starr federation with 515,160,000,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Zeus : 50271  (Lost: 1245 of 51516)
** Resources lost: 6,225,000,000 ore, 4,980,000,000 crystal, and 1,245,000,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 26,256,552

*****Defender: Krug with 61,952,543,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Artemis : 7479  (Lost: 45652 of 53131)
Atlas : 374297  (Lost: 2285010 of 2659307)
Apollo : 2422  (Lost: 14768 of 17190)
Zagreus : 2735  (Lost: 16677 of 19412)
Hercules : 44629  (Lost: 272482 of 317111)
Dionysus : 82581  (Lost: 504276 of 586857)
Poseidon : 1115  (Lost: 6782 of 7897)
Carmanor : 67087  (Lost: 409675 of 476762)
Athena : 9347  (Lost: 57052 of 66399)
Ares : 112  (Lost: 663 of 775)
Hades : 14675  (Lost: 89595 of 104270)
Prometheus : 976  (Lost: 5937 of 6913)
Zeus : 145  (Lost: 379 of 524)
Missile : 2282643  (Lost: 13938395 of 16221038)
Laser : 1305967  (Lost: 7978179 of 9284146)
Pulse : 122991  (Lost: 751096 of 874087)
Particle : 385875  (Lost: 2356256 of 2742131)
Decoy : 1
Gauss : 28945  (Lost: 176817 of 205762)
Large decoy: 1
Plasma : 14706  (Lost: 89783 of 104489)
** Ship Resources lost: 26,605,971,000 ore, 23,053,800,000 crystal, and 2,860,718,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 83,694,607,500 ore, 49,824,022,500 crystal, and 5,907,842,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 12,450,000

After 6 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 0 resources.
Some of the enemy's defenses were rebuilt.
9,849,291,300 ore and 8,410,184,700 crystal are now floating at this location.


changed the defenders weapons tech to 47..yes 47..its ridiculous..instead of 30 or so lost..or even maybe 300..nope 1245..jus stupid



http://battlementat.com/#aArmor=18&aJet=20&aLocation=3%3A344%3A7&aPulse=17&aShield=19&aWarp=15&aWeapons=19&aZeus=51516&dApollo=17190&dAres=775&dArmor=19&dArtemis=53131&dAthena=66399&dAtlas=2659307&dCarmanor=476762&dCrystal=118992323&dDecoy=1&dDionysus=586857&dGauss=205762&dHades=104270&dHercules=317111&dHydrogen=98573474&dLarge=1&dLaser=9284146&dLocation=3%3A375%3A8e&dMissile=16221038&dOre=68511555&dParticle=2742131&dPlasma=104489&dPoseidon=7897&dPrometheus=6913&dPulse=874087&dRSP=164557543&dShield=19&dWeapons=47&dZagreus=19412&dZeus=524&universe=extreme2
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Vastet on July 17, 2013, 07:34:06 PM
You should quit depending on the calculator until it's sorted. Fat Budha has not yet announced that it is ready for the LBA.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: wesnalk on July 17, 2013, 07:41:06 PM
not losing any thanes maybe you should play a universe thats more current. 
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: Boris Alden on July 17, 2013, 08:40:48 PM
Just be happy with your rank instead of catching boris, remember the rank boris had was bought and you played from day one, your accomplishments are your own.

Stop you whining.....

My rank and my fleet and everything else is a reflection of 18 hrs a day playing........

It's your choice to do nothing but bad mouth other players.

We all choose to play.

Ask any of the top 5 it's called blood sweat and tears...... many give up a lot for the time they put in the game.

And then a sad little fat man pokes fun and ridicules them.

Play the game or leave.
Title: Re: Still not right...
Post by: The Blood King on July 18, 2013, 12:05:43 AM
*snorts and giggles*  8)

Not that i was whining...but the way you just came off? Classic.