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Title: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: brakeman on August 27, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
It appears BFG is now allowing cheaters to keep playing.. Guess I am done here unless it changes.. I want everyone to see this message from BFG..

Jason, Aug 27 11:22:
We ban accounts not players. Therefore it isn't against the rules for him to play a different account. However we will keep an eye on this account to see if he continues to abuse the rules.
Jason
Blue Frog Gaming Support
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Sam Carter on August 27, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
I am done too, whats the point in punishing cheats with suspensions, when they can start a new account, with no penalties.

This is so wrong.

Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: kru on August 27, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
funny, seems in every universe obvious multi accounts are being allowed to continue as they are....I gave up reporting those cheating a long time ago, especially in conquest as Jason and the team (matt) always came up with some BS excuse about it being legit....

kinda makes you think that for real, BFG no longer care what we as players get upto in these games so long as the money keeps rolling...

I am glad you made this post, because many players were starting to think the same.

Whilst it is true, accounts get banned and not players it is however against the rules to be playing more than one account (it is whats known in the trade as multi accounting) unless, of course BFG have been notified of account ownership changing hands (only reason for similar IPs on differring accounts)
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: brakeman on August 27, 2014, 04:10:10 PM
When we started they were so strict about the rules. Based on being run by Christians.. They seem to have thrown that all away for the mighty dollar.. Sad.. I will be leaving and finding a good PS game to play if it is not fixed.. Thx Kru & Sam
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Phil M on August 27, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
It appears BFG is now allowing cheaters to keep playing.. Guess I am done here unless it changes.. I want everyone to see this message from BFG..

Jason, Aug 27 11:22:
We ban accounts not players. Therefore it isn't against the rules for him to play a different account. However we will keep an eye on this account to see if he continues to abuse the rules.
Jason
Blue Frog Gaming Support

Might i ask what gives you the right to comment on this as the "cheat" is playing the account that you sold him?
Why sell your account to a "cheat" and did the alarm bells not start ringing?
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: brakeman on August 27, 2014, 04:56:51 PM
I did not.. I sold it to another person and they in turn gave it to him. That gives me the right Phil
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Fear UFF DA on August 27, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
BFG Does not support account transfers.

There in hence, when you perma (S) a player it falls to the account - Unless IP suspended from all uni's
the action in which i was convicted, was not a strong enough act to warrant an IP suspension from BFG, I also made sure to clear with BFG my ability to play before taking over the account.

Thank you all for the Love. Brakemen (you don't play any uni but conquest anyhow) so.. good job at selling the account that was given to you! Glad i didn't have to pay for it!
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: buckweed 1 on August 27, 2014, 05:02:26 PM
Jason, Aug 27 11:22:
We ban accounts not players. Therefore it isn't against the rules for him to play a different account. However we will keep an eye on this account to see if he continues to abuse the rules.
Jason
Blue Frog Gaming Support


this is incorrect bigdog was banned permanently in uni2 by BFG ok it was fer threats to a bfg's member and family , but it proves  a player not just an account can be banned from the game .
uff da is a disturbance to the game and to the players who play the game he should be banned from the game permanently as intended ,not allowed to get another account willie nilly , bfg needs to stamp down on these cheaters or they will lose more players than uff da can get multis
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Phil M on August 27, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
I did not.. I sold it to another person and they in turn gave it to him. That gives me the right Phil

funny how as soon as your account was sold, everyone suspected it had gone to its current owner.

Oh well, BFG don't support account sales in any way so you have nothing to be bitter about!
You sold it and moved on, not your concern any more!
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: brakeman on August 27, 2014, 05:28:57 PM
Not concerned about the account. But about the ability to get suspended and start playing another account in the same Uni..
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Athena on August 27, 2014, 05:51:30 PM
BFG Does not support account transfers.

There in hence, when you perma (S) a player it falls to the account - Unless IP suspended from all uni's
the action in which i was convicted, was not a strong enough act to warrant an IP suspension from BFG, I also made sure to clear with BFG my ability to play before taking over the account.

Saying BFG does not support account transfers or sales is like saying they do not support the sale of alcohol in Ohio...it's untrue and irrelevant.  They may not facilitate the sales or transfers of accounts, but they know about them and have not stopped them.  Those willing to pay money for accounts are also willing to pay money within the games...it would be stupid for BFG to forbid that process.

About the topic of cheating, multi-accounting, etc.... BFG has always been a bit odd on this.  For example, perma-suspending all the player's alt accounts but not the main account (as in Winnie the Pooh and the Honey alliance drama years ago).
The company does not seem to actually want to get rid of cheating in this manner, just to slap the players a bit and let them carry on. It makes having rules against multi accounting or cheating kinda silly. IMO
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Phil M on August 27, 2014, 06:12:04 PM
the rules are based on the account not the player

the account that the player had used is now perma S

the new account hasn't been and was sold on and apparently sold on again, the only person that has any claim to what happens to that account is the current owner.

the account is thus far clean and was gifted to Brake so I cry foul ball on complaining about any occupancy issues.

The new owner is free to start from scratch again

Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Zarchne on August 27, 2014, 07:47:32 PM
The company does not seem to actually want to get rid of cheating in this manner, just to slap the players a bit and let them carry on. It makes having rules against multi accounting or cheating kinda silly. IMO

I dunno, it makes sense to me.  (I mean, besides the fact that the rules define what constitutes cheating.) They want people to stop cheating (specifically, not multiaccount), not stop playing.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: arbitraryfrog on August 28, 2014, 12:41:00 AM
It appears BFG is now allowing cheaters to keep playing.. Guess I am done here unless it changes.. I want everyone to see this message from BFG..

Jason, Aug 27 11:22:
We ban accounts not players. Therefore it isn't against the rules for him to play a different account. However we will keep an eye on this account to see if he continues to abuse the rules.
Jason
Blue Frog Gaming Support

If that does not make any sense to you, then neither will bought account owners also owning the previous owners suspensions. I remember some issue from x1 about suspensions carrying over to new owners though I can't remember who it was.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: kru on August 28, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
If that does not make any sense to you, then neither will bought account owners also owning the previous owners suspensions. I remember some issue from x1 about suspensions carrying over to new owners though I can't remember who it was.

not sure what you mean, as youmust be hitting the bottle again...however, i do recall a discussion with jason where he clearly stated that warnings and/or suspensions are marked against the account, not the player
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Ali Baba on August 28, 2014, 08:14:44 AM
That happened to my old account in sfcx1 I was on my last warning when I gave up.

Any who the new owner was still logging into his old account and subsequently got both account suspended and his new account my old one permanently suspended because it had prior suspensions.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Ali Baba on August 28, 2014, 08:16:11 AM
In my own opinion the suspension should fall on both account and player.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Gamma on August 28, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
It happened to Bad Wookiee after he took over the Bodge account.

http://forum.playstarfleet.com/index.php?topic=17988.0
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Buck Rogers on August 29, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
I am confused, someone said they can start over without a penalty.
But isn't having to start over a penalty by itself?
I can't imagine having to start over from scrat after building up an account to be all that fun.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: kru on August 29, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
I am confused, someone said they can start over without a penalty.
But isn't having to start over a penalty by itself?
I can't imagine having to start over from scrat after building up an account to be all that fun.

actually, it is more fun than you realise. Sure, it is hard....a long grind, but it is fun
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Buck Rogers on August 31, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
actually, it is more fun than you realise. Sure, it is hard....a long grind, but it is fun

Maybe so, but still sounds like quite the penalty to me.
Title: Re: BFG Allowing Cheaters To Continue Playing
Post by: Buck Rogers on August 31, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
Besides, how would people like to stop cheaters from playing?
You can block IP addresses, but that would mean people from 1 household wouldn't be able to play.
My dad used to play this game before he died little over a month ago, if he would be cheating (which I doubt) it would automaticly mean I wouldnt be able to play anymore either. Doesn't sound fair to me.
Besides that, it's quite easy to go arround an ipaddress blockage by using a proxy.