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Starfleet Commander => Original Universe => Topic started by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 29, 2019, 03:07:29 PM

Title: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 29, 2019, 03:07:29 PM
The artwork shows the Heph as being a physical ship.  That concept might have worked in the past, but it doesn't work anymore!

I had too much spare time the other day and started fiddling around with a "Heph concept".  Here is what I posted to the internal HOD message boards.

The amazing thing about a Heph is that it is a "virtual ship", whose dimensions are defined using energy fields. As your fleet grows and you need more volume, the remotely-guided platforms that contain the field generators can be moved farther from the Heph's engineering and power structures, thereby expanding the volume that is enclosed by your Warp fields. In the extreme, a Heph can be used to shepherd a max battle fleet, which includes 9.223 Quintillion of each other ship type -- including Zeuses. Given that each Zeus is about the size of Earth's natural satellite, Luna, the Heph's energy fields have to encompass a volume that is about the size of a sphere with a radius of 2.8 billion miles -- about the distance of Neptune from Sol.

How!  A virtual transporter that is the size of our solar system, out to the orbit of the most remote planet, Neptune (sorry about that, Pluto!).

There is one assumption here -- that a Zeus is about the size of the earth's moon.  I'm taking this assumption from David Weber's "Dahak" science fiction series, in which it is discovered that our moon actually is an ancient, camouflaged, intelligent super-battleship named Dahak. 

The thing about a max fleet, including max Z's in the fleet, actually is a reality.  MR P actually has multiple max Z-fleets available to him,including one on his Heph.
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on September 29, 2019, 04:08:34 PM
And here is the basis for the calculation for the diameter of the Heph's enclosing energy fields.

The calculation was pretty crude. I calculated the volume of a cube that had dimensions equal to the diameter of the moon, multiplied that by 9.223 quintillion, and calculated the radius of a sphere that would have that volume.

So, our Z's are really snugged in with either other, stacked top-touching bottom. We could go with a denser packing that might save some space, but I imagine our Zeus commanders might not like being even more crowded than I've described.

There should be lots of space in there for all the other ships, maybe they could have competitions during the trip -- races in the "dead space" around all the Z's!
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: nomadd40 on October 03, 2019, 03:34:22 AM
If the Hep. is the size of Neptune from Sol.
Then that would start knocking planets around when it came in system. What if you used the idea from Dune of folding space inside the Hep. You would have a infinity amount of space to use and could unfold it launching your ships.
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: ML1 on October 14, 2019, 04:14:18 AM
I think we can all agree.

"It's bigger on the inside"

Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Admiral T-Wayne on October 29, 2019, 01:10:33 PM

I like that idea!  Sort of like Dr Who's Tardis.
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Dead Zone on October 30, 2019, 04:39:42 AM
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Tybors Master on October 30, 2019, 05:00:56 PM
Given the size, given the mass of ships and resouces aboard.....

Perhaps another issue would be not just coming into a solar orbit disiplacing other planets/moons and throwing the enitire gravity situation into dissaray,) but landing the heph/ships/resources on a Lunar Dock.

Perhaps the gravity change created by that total mass, would make the moon become too heavy for it's orbit to be sustained, and it will come crashing down onto the planet.

It would save having to transfer the resources.....
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Cooper385 on November 02, 2019, 12:40:48 PM
        With the ability to create "Stargates" and warp from 1 location to another would it not be possible that advancements have also allowed for the breakdown of solid matter to it's "transport form" and allow much more to go into much less?  At some point during your warp phase you are neither here,  nor there.  That in between state is what allows the heph to carry so much,  yet use so little hydro to get you there.  Upon deployment you are simply returned,  warped if you will,  back to the ships original form before being "loaded" onto the heph.  The heph is essentially carrying "nothing"  while,   in actuality,  carrying everything.  To enter the heph you simply go through a "warp gate" that goes nowhere.  When leaving the heph you exit the "warp gate" heading for your desired location as a fully restored ship.  The heph itself.....could be no larger than a dead end warp gate.  This poses the question...  How big is a warp gate?
Title: Re: So, just how big is a Heph?
Post by: Tal-Khoraash on January 14, 2020, 12:24:37 AM
A Warp Gate is constructed upon a moon.

Moons have a minimum radius of 3,605 and a maximum radius of 8,944 (Kilometers? Miles? Li? Cubits? Who knows? Earth's Moon is 2,158.8 miles {3,474.2 kilometers} in diameter and the Earth itself is 7,917.5 miles {12,742 kilometers} in diameter, so your guess is as good as mine as to what distance measurement for moons is actually in use).

All that aside, Warp Gates, being constructed upon a moon, must therefore be smaller than said moon, even though you can somehow Warp an entire 9.223 quintillion ships of every type all at once, and have it arrive safely at the destination (I assume it does. I suppose nothing can be at the destination moon? Never having that amount of ships to Warp, I can't answer what would happen. T-Wayne? Inquiring minds want to know, lol).

I think Nomad is on the right track with his folded space theory, both for the interior of the Heph and to Warp from Gate to Gate without drastically altering the mass and thus orbit of either the sending or destination moon.