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Starfleet Commander => New Player Corner => Topic started by: 2$Bill on November 29, 2010, 10:21:53 PM

Title: Heph question
Post by: 2$Bill on November 29, 2010, 10:21:53 PM
In the picture.  Is it facing forwards, or backwards?
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Bizmuth Helm on November 30, 2010, 06:25:50 AM
My guess is, as with the rest of the ships shown, a frontal view. Although ship orientation in space, at least with warp drive, is arbitrary. Upside down and backwards is just as valid an orientation as any other. I cant make out a warp field antenna anywhere. Rule of thumb...large bumps should be in the front.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Aaria.moon on November 30, 2010, 07:01:07 AM
It's sideways, are you that dumb?
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: SGS 6 on November 30, 2010, 07:29:52 AM
Quote from: "Bizmuth Helm"
My guess is, as with the rest of the ships shown, a frontal view. Although ship orientation in space, at least with warp drive, is arbitrary. Upside down and backwards is just as valid an orientation as any other. I cant make out a warp field antenna anywhere. Rule of thumb...large bumps should be in the front.

Doesn't necessarily have one. This is, after all, not a licensed Star Trek game. The "Warp Drive" might be buried in the regular hull.

I personally think it's a frontal view because, since the thing is an attack platform, you'd expect the docking bay to be in the front. And it is visible in the picture.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: poeticmotion on November 30, 2010, 11:57:21 AM
The domes on the sides are CLEARLY flux capacitor housings for the subatomic hyperslip drive. So it's upside down and facing to the left rear. DUH!
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Bizmuth Helm on November 30, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
The decieving thing about the heph is its scale. The illustration on the ships page doesnt do it justice.(Those two red dots by the round part are athenas) This thread,  viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11031 (http://forum.playstarfleet.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11031)  , about another subject, has an excellent blowup of this ship providing more detail.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Sid82 on November 30, 2010, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: "ali baba"
Whats always got me with the Heph is....if in a battle how do all the ships docked inside the Heph come out to defend.

Im thinking of it like this...

If i was the attacker i would have all my ships set out in a specific way.

Unlike the Heph Defender were he would not have the chance to deploy his ships to defend.

So that means for the 1st round the Heph would be pretty much easy to take out because he would have no ships out ready for the attack.

I know im reading far to much into this but if you do look at the Heph you cant see how the ships would be able to deploy for it in a hurry.

Like were do there Zeus come from! were do you store the OCH as well


what you are forgetting is that the defender gets plenty of warning when an attack is incoming so during that warning time the heph could be deploying the ships inside to defend
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Zarchne on November 30, 2010, 03:21:20 PM
Maybe the size, shape, and speed limit are all dictated by the transdimensional cargo hold.  And why can it not hold an infinite amount of res?  For the same reason you can't take res through warp gates (whatever that is).  That is to say, it's really a kind of mobile warp gate, hooked to another dimension rather than to other warp gates.
Title: Re: defence positionRe: Heph question
Post by: Sid82 on November 30, 2010, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: "ali baba"
Why would the Heph Deploy the ships inside it would be deploying them out side and into a defense position.

And then there is the case of were are all ships being stored and how are they being stored..?
ok, let me rephrase, it would be deploying the ships that were inside it, outside to defend(since you want to nitpick)

as for where they are being stored...maybe it is like a warpgate inside that transfers them to an alternate dimension until needed...there are many things about this game that are unrealistic, but we are playing a game that lets you travel between galaxies in hours...so why gripe about where something is stored?
Title: Re: defence positionRe: Heph question
Post by: 2$Bill on November 30, 2010, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
...there are many things about this game that are unrealistic, but we are playing a game that lets you travel between galaxies in hours...so why gripe about where something is stored?


That's reletivistic hours on board.  By my calculations, these ships travel at roughly c-10^-7 where c is the speed of light.  This excludes probes of coarse.  As they are powered by a planets collected fart gas which as everyone knows, operates outside the universes normal laws of physics.
Title: Re: defence positionRe: Heph question
Post by: Sid82 on November 30, 2010, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: "2$Bill"
Quote from: "Sid82"
...there are many things about this game that are unrealistic, but we are playing a game that lets you travel between galaxies in hours...so why gripe about where something is stored?


That's reletivistic hours on board.  By my calculations, these ships travel at roughly c-10^-7 where c is the speed of light.  This excludes probes of coarse.  As they are powered by a planets collected fart gas which as everyone knows, operates outside the universes normal laws of physics.

gotta say, one of the first posts you have made that actually made me laugh
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: 2$Bill on November 30, 2010, 04:39:47 PM
it was farts wasn't it?  

Everyone laughs at farts.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Sid82 on November 30, 2010, 04:40:56 PM
think it was the combination of farts, and the serious way in which it was represented...kinda like tommy lee jones character in men in black
Title: Re: defence positionRe: Heph question
Post by: Aaria.moon on November 30, 2010, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: "Sid82"
as for where they are being stored...maybe it is like a warpgate inside that transfers them to an alternate dimension until needed...there are many things about this game that are unrealistic, but we are playing a game that lets you travel between galaxies in hours...so why gripe about where something is stored?

This might explain why all ships deployed to the heph go POOF when the heph is destroyed.
Title: Re: defence positionRe: Heph question
Post by: Sid82 on November 30, 2010, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: "Aaria.moon"
Quote from: "Sid82"
as for where they are being stored...maybe it is like a warpgate inside that transfers them to an alternate dimension until needed...there are many things about this game that are unrealistic, but we are playing a game that lets you travel between galaxies in hours...so why gripe about where something is stored?

This might explain why all ships deployed to the heph go POOF when the heph is destroyed.

I'm not afraid to admit, I played D&D when I was younger...and I think of it as a bag of holding lol
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Aaria.moon on November 30, 2010, 04:45:40 PM
I always thought everything in the bag came spilling out. I guess there's a rule book out there that says otherwise though.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Big S on November 30, 2010, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: "Aaria.moon"
I always thought everything in the bag came spilling out. I guess there's a rule book out there that says otherwise though.
IIRC, the bag uses extra dimensional space. Hence it's logical that if the bag were somehow destroyed, the stuff might get lost permanently in that other dimension.

I always wondered why gremlins living in that other dimension didn't like see my +5 Vorpal sword lying in what they call a street and throw it in what they call a landfill, being peaceful types and all....

Oh, and the humor of fart jokes... if you have a young son at home, you can only imagine how much humor revolves around this topic. When my son plays a "sneaking around" game with me, hide and seek, and that type of stuff, I just walk around making fart noises, and listen for the giggling coming from under the bed or wherever he is, lmao!
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: 2$Bill on November 30, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
that's not very fair.  I guess now that I know your tricks, I won't be playing Hide and Seek with you.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Aaria.moon on November 30, 2010, 05:16:36 PM
Gets me every time.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: poeticmotion on November 30, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
Tractor beams. Who's to say the Heph isn't towing many of the ships it carries, thereby eliminating the need for internal space.

Or we could stop trying to explain things logically and remember it's just a game.
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: 2$Bill on November 30, 2010, 10:10:16 PM
You just turned the most expensive ship in the game from a Super Aircraft Carrier to a tugboat!
Title: Re: Heph question
Post by: Bizmuth Helm on December 01, 2010, 12:22:24 AM
All it would need is a large enough warp field envelope and all matter would be
conveyed including the heph fleet. After all its not the ships that are warping but space.