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Title: Valid Targets
Post by: JUSTICE 96 on February 20, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
Had a problem with Girlie Nard for a while so thought I'd hit this sat there all time......

JUSTICE 96 led an attack on Andrea Nard1 at Celebrating STS-135 ‎‎‎[X].
The following emerged from battle after 3 Round(s)

*****Attacker: JUSTICE 96*****
Athena : 6718 (Lost: 42 of 6760)
** Resources lost: 1,890,000 ore, 630,000 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 7,568

*****Defender: Andrea Nard1*****
Helios : 0 (Lost: 360 of 360)
Artemis : 0 (Lost: 1667 of 1667)
Missile : 0 (Lost: 1500 of 1500)
Pulse : 0 (Lost: 1000 of 1000)
Decoy : 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0 (Lost: 100 of 100)
Large decoy: 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Plasma : 0 (Lost: 39 of 39)
** Ship Resources lost: 5,001,000 ore, 2,387,000 crystal, and 180,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 18,011,000 ore, 7,897,000 crystal, and 1,550,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 2,520

The attacking side acquired 2,691,590 ore, 925,609 crystal, and 626,648 hydrogen.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Missile Battery x1,370 Gauss Cannon x90 Pulse Cannon x802 Decoy x1 Plasma Cannon x30 Large Decoy x1 Helios Class Solar Satellite x88 2,067,300 ore and 905,100 crystal are now floating at this location.

So I hit the target as there were ships.....





So Nard comes online and Sat bashes two of my planets.....


Andrea Nard1 led an attack on JUSTICE 96 at ANFIELD ‎‎‎[X].
The following emerged from battle after 3 Round(s)

*****Attacker: Andrea Nard1*****
Artemis : 14732 (Lost: 268 of 15000)
Hercules : 300
Athena : 250
** Resources lost: 804,000 ore, 268,000 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 1,820

*****Defender: JUSTICE 96*****
Helios : 0 (Lost: 728 of 728)
Missile : 0 (Lost: 169 of 169)
Laser : 0 (Lost: 200 of 200)
Pulse : 0 (Lost: 200 of 200)
Particle : 0 (Lost: 200 of 200)
Decoy : 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0 (Lost: 10 of 10)
Large decoy: 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 1,456,000 crystal, and 364,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 2,498,000 ore, 3,366,000 crystal, and 384,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 1,072

The attacking side acquired 2,806,802 ore, 796,332 crystal, and 629,690 hydrogen.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Particle Cannon x147 Missile Battery x88 Gauss Cannon x7 Decoy x1 Pulse Cannon x146 Laser Cannon x166 Large Decoy x1 241,200 ore and 517,200 crystal are now floating at this location.




Andrea Nard1 led an attack on JUSTICE 96 at ANFIELD ‎‎‎[X].
The following emerged from battle after 3 Round(s)

*****Attacker: Andrea Nard1*****
Artemis : 13759 (Lost: 146 of 13905)
Hercules : 200
Athena : 221
** Resources lost: 438,000 ore, 146,000 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0

*****Defender: JUSTICE 96*****
Missile : 0 (Lost: 88 of 88)
Laser : 0 (Lost: 166 of 166)
Pulse : 0 (Lost: 146 of 146)
Particle : 0 (Lost: 147 of 147)
Decoy : 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0 (Lost: 7 of 7)
Large decoy: 0 (Lost: 1 of 1)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 1,795,000 ore, 1,422,000 crystal, and 14,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 584

The attacking side acquired 1,403,496 ore, 398,193 crystal, and 314,866 hydrogen.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Particle Cannon x112 Missile Battery x65 Gauss Cannon x5 Decoy x1 Pulse Cannon x107 Laser Cannon x124 Large Decoy x1 372,600 ore and 561,000 crystal are now floating at this location.


As he SAT bashed me I have nuked his planets......

So I call Nard out to Battle Man on Man......   


Nard however wishes to attack my Alliance members instead of me - so Girl by name Girl by nature....

Man up Nardie the gauntlet is down.....
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: OmegaNex on February 20, 2012, 11:50:10 PM
This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on February 20, 2012, 11:53:53 PM
I thought that Andy, and the rest of AA didn't do sat bashing? (I know that I've said a few times that it's something that they wouldn't do) ... And, why would he want to attack other members of your alliance, instead of you - did anyone in your alliance help you attack him?

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Neumiller on February 21, 2012, 01:30:57 AM
Nard is a coward that only preys on those 3 or 4 times less equipped than her.
Nard to this day has yet to be skilled enough to catch me.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 21, 2012, 01:56:04 AM
As much as I hate to see this happen to any player justice I can't help but feel like you kind of deserve this.  I hate to say it but Karma is a b**ch.  Considering it was only a couple of weeks ago you nukes someone to the ground with no attacks sent out.  Why did you do this.  Because you took offense to them lettign you know they were online when you probed to save you hydro on a launch only to have him frs before you landed.  What goes around comes around. 

 
I thought that Andy, and the rest of AA didn't do sat bashing? (I know that I've said a few times that it's something that they wouldn't do) ... And, why would he want to attack other members of your alliance, instead of you - did anyone in your alliance help you attack him?



AA only likes to CLAIM they don;t sat bash.  at the same time that andy was doing this to Justice, Payne x was also nuking a member of ЯΞ√ΩLUT↑☼N to the ground and sat bashing him as well.  Why?  Becasue no one is alowed to hit AA.  If you hit AA you are breaking the rules.  Atleast that is the what they like to think.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 21, 2012, 03:46:04 AM
Clarification: AA doesn't sat bash as a rule. In this instance, Justice had already sat bashed an AA member a few months ago, and Andy and Boris came to an agreement that Boris would handle it. In this case, he didn't, or Justice didn't listen and decided to do it again (and please don't tell me 1600 arts isn't bashing in X2) so Andy decided to do something about it. So now that Justice has decided to open up all of his alliance as prey (as was warned by AA during the first go-round), he posts here to try to rally public opinion on his side. I think you will have more luck buying another fleet to compete than to find someone to support your cause.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 21, 2012, 03:47:22 AM
Nard is a coward that only preys on those 3 or 4 times less equipped than her.
Nard to this day has yet to be skilled enough to catch me.

So many LOLs here. I don't know what is funnier, the fact you think that Andy is a "her", or that he or AA attacks noobs like yourself.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 21, 2012, 04:40:46 AM
Clarification: AA doesn't sat bash as a rule. In this instance, Justice had already sat bashed an AA member a few months ago, and Andy and Boris came to an agreement that Boris would handle it. In this case, he didn't, or Justice didn't listen and decided to do it again (and please don't tell me 1600 arts isn't bashing in X2) so Andy decided to do something about it. So now that Justice has decided to open up all of his alliance as prey (as was warned by AA during the first go-round), he posts here to try to rally public opinion on his side. I think you will have more luck buying another fleet to compete than to find someone to support your cause.

Krown how much moronic can you be?  arties are NOT satellites  they are ships that can be moved.  there fore  there is no way in any reality hitting srties can be classified as sat bashing.  I am no where near the top of the ranks and I can easily produce more than 4 times that many in a day.  for andy that would maybe be half an hours worth of procuction.  Though I do not like justice and agree he also is a basher DO NOT TRY TO SAY that that hit was sat bashing, or bashing in any form.  As I said to him in my first post what goes around comes around.  You are trying to classify that as bashing to justify bashing yourselves.  how ever we all know that while you claim to not condone sat bashing as an allince that you guys actually do sat bash.  Andy just didn;t like the fact that some one had the nerve to attack a member of AA.  WE all know that as far as your alliance is concerned this is your definition of bashing "Any player who hits a member of AA is guilty of bashing.  Any other player who is hit is not being bashed"

So many LOLs here. I don't know what is funnier, the fact you think that Andy is a "her", or that he or AA attacks noobs like yourself.

first of all I bleieve he was referring to andy s a she cause he considers andy to be a coward as well.  Secondly while ranked in the 1400's I was probed and attacke dby several AA members who are in the top 200.  so don;t try to say that you  as an aliance don;t hit "noobs"
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 21, 2012, 04:49:49 AM
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. If you think 1600 arties isn't sat bashing, go for it. Andy got himself over 6M in res and profited 4x his losses. Does that make it ok then?

And I will add another LOL to your analysis of my post responding to Neumiller. Maybe I should add [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] my post for you to get it.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 21, 2012, 05:03:57 AM
You say tomato, I say toe-ma-toe. If you think 1600 arties isn't sat bashing, go for it. Andy got himself over 6M in res and profited 4x his losses. Does that make it ok then?

And I will add another LOL to your analysis of my post responding to Neumiller. Maybe I should add [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] my post for you to get it.

As I said yes Justice is a basher and does deserve to be hit as one.  But trying to claim hitting 1600 arties that belong to a higher ranked player as bashing is ROFLMFAO.  The only way that falls under bashing is AA's definition of bashing which as I stated earlier is "any hit made against a member of AA is considered bashing {regardless of respective ranks or existence of not sattelite targets and plunderable resources}"

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 21, 2012, 05:34:02 AM
Where do you get this "any hit against a member of AA is considered bashing"? Plenty of AA members have been hit, but I don't think recall an alliance wide call for retaliation for every hit made. Oh.. because it happened to Andy? Andy has been hit before believe it or not, but again, there was no alliance wide order to hit the alliance of the offender.

You said yourself that 1600 arts was prob 30 min of production for a high ranker, so they may as well be sats. But since they are technically arties and not helios it's a big no-no. Well, that is the difference between you and I.  I look at a planet with 1600 arties and I pass. You and Justice seem to think that is worth hitting. I don't know what rank you are, but I know Justice's bought fleet is high, so I am surprised he even bothered keeping the esp for the 1600 arties, let alone launching on it.

"Oh... but he profitted from it, so it was ok". Sure, he profitted from it and that's ok. But so did Andy, so using that argument is a massive fail.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 21, 2012, 05:54:08 AM
Krown more and more you show how stupid you are.  Not once have I said that andy's attack was not profitable.  I said that calling justice's attack bashing is moronic.

AA Member led an attack on Not a sat bash! ‎
The following emerged from battle after 2 Round(s)

*****Attacker: AA Member*****
Artemis : 157448  (Lost: 767 of 158215)
Apollo : 12811
Poseidon : 33198  (Lost: 1 of 33199)
Athena : 24552
Ares : 795
Hades : 13982
Prometheus : 2737
** Resources lost: 2,321,000 ore, 774,000 crystal, and 2,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 627

*****Defender: Not a sat bash!*****
Helios : 0  (Lost: 251 of 251)
Missile : 0  (Lost: 41580 of 41580)
Pulse : 0  (Lost: 14 of 14)
Particle : 0  (Lost: 12 of 12)
Decoy : 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0  (Lost: 7 of 7)
Large decoy: 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 502,000 crystal, and 125,500 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 83,468,000 ore, 767,000 crystal, and 139,500 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 3,097

The attacking side acquired 4 ore and 2 crystal.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Particle Cannon x9 Missile Battery x30,373

Gauss Cannon x5 Pulse Cannon x11 Decoy x1 Large Decoy x1 696,300 ore and 385,800

crystal are now floating at this location.


AA Member led an attack on We don't bash

‎‎
The following emerged from battle after 1 Round(s)

*****Attacker: AA Member*****
Poseidon : 10000
Athena : 10000
Hades : 3000
** Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0

*****Defender: We attack for profit*****
Missile : 0  (Lost: 11872 of 11872)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 23,744,000 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0

The attacking side acquired 7 ore and 4 crystal.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Missile Battery x8,944 696,300 ore and

385,800 crystal are now floating at this location.

these are actual battle reports just the names have been changed to protect the recipients of the attacks from further bashing by AA
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 21, 2012, 06:01:34 AM
Actually, I think you are the "stupid moronic ROTFLMAO" one (careful not to get the thread locked Ryadannia with your name calling). I didn't say we don't sat bash. I said we generally, as a rule, don't sat bash. There is a big difference.

Please stop taking 2 battle reports and formulating the AA Training Manual. KTHXBYE
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 21, 2012, 06:06:31 AM
Those 2 reports were merely examples.  I have many friends ranging many alliances.  and every one of my friends with out fail who has know of a friend of theirs to hit AA has seen that friend in return get smashed into the ground.  Why?  Because they had the audacity to hit AA.  "How dare they.  They must respect AA"
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: headhole on February 21, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
the way i see it who cares who's right or wrong, nard has been called out by justice, now let's see if nard is man/woman (i dont care what it is) enough to take justice up on it, that would prove how much hounor nard really got. or he can do it the way he said he would by sat bashing anyone in KBF noob or not.

your call nard! :o
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Kip Shiller on February 21, 2012, 09:56:25 AM
Nard is a coward that only preys on those 3 or 4 times less equipped than her.
Nard to this day has yet to be skilled enough to catch me.

hey noooooobmiller - get on my level :P
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Doctor Death on February 21, 2012, 11:43:02 AM
Justice 69...account buyer extraordinaire.  Talks all kinds of smack with a bought fleet while he hides behind Boris's bought fleet.  Laughable.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: OmegaNex on February 21, 2012, 01:10:41 PM
Rydannia stop making such a fool of yourself. Also unless those are the actuall in game names that battle report shouldn't be there. And let's face it most players will hit someone if that player hits them, just because AA did it all of a sudden you are making a huge deal out of it how many of your friends did AA profit off of? My bet is all of them. And before you start sayIng you haven't attacked anyone who hasn't attacked you out of retaliation, bet at some point you nuked someone who attacked you if you didn't hit them back. Really you're Probably just to insignificant to do anything to AA so you just like to come and whine on the forums.


And let's bE honest most of you are biased and just hate AA. I don't like them either but I don't run around slandering then and preaching how evil they are.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 21, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
Oh well...

Seems that Justice is a liar. I did not sat bashed two of his planets I attacked the same planet twice.
I had a decent number of defenses on ,y planet, I did not complain of being sat bashed.

Than i probed Justice and found all those resources sitting there, without defenses.
I attacked with 2 waves, with some ships I managed to scrap from my overnight production. I made more profit that he made. So why I sat bashed him? Means that now you leave a planet without defenses, and 700 sats there and cannot be attacked because it is sat bashing? I attacked him because he attacked me, I just took back the resources he took from me.

After I attacked him for a profit of over 6 millions he nuked my planets...but wait I am the sat basher...
Can someone explain me where I am wrong?

If he did not attack me, I would not have attacked him, in fact I have not even probed his planets for weeks. He choose to send a few thousand athenas to kill 1K arts, and took some resources, and as I said before I did not complain, I just found an undefended planet with millions of resources...but I cannot attack it because he had 700 sats on such planet?

The kids got upset and nuked all my defenses.

Those are the facts.

For the ones that are not aware we had an agreement with KBF this was the text of the agreement
quote
If there is any issue among members of the two alliances, the leaders shall be involved. AA members shall not have a direct contact with the leader of KBF, any issue shall be referred to me and I will contact KBF leadership.

We shall always carry out valid attacks.

No nukes unless clearing out for mass resources.

No sat bashing.

No overnight production on low ranked players (allow them to build up)
unquote.

I did not consider my attack sat bashing, since the planet was undefended with millions of resources there, I did attack a over night production of a high ranked player. So I did not break any of the terms of the agreement, unfortunately Justice nuking my planet has broken the terms of the agreement.
You should not forget that I made more profit than he made, and I lost less ships...

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 21, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Quote
the way i see it who cares who's right or wrong, nard has been called out by justice, now let's see if nard is man/woman (i dont care what it is) enough to take justice up on it, that would prove how much hounor nard really got. or he can do it the way he said he would by sat bashing anyone in KBF noob or not.

your call nard!

I found that ridiculous, what shall I do now? Attack with all my ships Justice because he called me out?
I am not going to waste my time to find the hole where he is hiding now. Time will come for him, like it did come for Fallen, he also called me out...we all know how it ended. This is a strategy war game, I will hit Justice at a time of my choice...maybe in 1 day, 1 week or one month...
Finally I am not entertaining anything with Justice, he is way too immature.
I just replied to the thread because not all facts were reported correctly.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Fleet Pirate on February 21, 2012, 03:07:32 PM
Oh well...

Seems that Justice is a liar. I did not sat bashed two of his planets I attacked the same planet twice.
I had a decent number of defenses on ,y planet, I did not complain of being sat bashed.

Than i probed Justice and found all those resources sitting there, without defenses.
I attacked with 2 waves, with some ships I managed to scrap from my overnight production. I made more profit that he made. So why I sat bashed him? Means that now you leave a planet without defenses, and 700 sats there and cannot be attacked because it is sat bashing? I attacked him because he attacked me, I just took back the resources he took from me.

After I attacked him for a profit of over 6 millions he nuked my planets...but wait I am the sat basher...
Can someone explain me where I am wrong?

If he did not attack me, I would not have attacked him, in fact I have not even probed his planets for weeks. He choose to send a few thousand athenas to kill 1K arts, and took some resources, and as I said before I did not complain, I just found an undefended planet with millions of resources...but I cannot attack it because he had 700 sats on such planet?

 



 








Hmmm....a profitable attack by Andy.  What's the problem? NONE!  Leave 700 helio's and millions of resources on an undefended planet and your just ASKING for someone to hit it.  Feel free to rebuild those helios, drop a few million resources there, and send me the coords :D
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 21, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
Quote
Those 2 reports were merely examples.  I have many friends ranging many alliances.  and every one of my friends with out fail who has know of a friend of theirs to hit AA has seen that friend in return get smashed into the ground.  Why?  Because they had the audacity to hit AA.  "How dare they.  They must respect AA"

Those two reports are misleading and you are not telling the full story, it is clear that the defender has lifted his ships just before the attack landed, therefore the questions are:
1) Was the attacker aware the defender was online?
2) Did the defender inform that he was online?
3) Why such has not been reported to me?

Since this thread is not about the above topic, I would appreciate if you reply to me by PM.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Jasonb_03 on February 21, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
Yeah, I hate to say it as well, but it seems Andy is right about this one. The guy that attacked Andy should have not left a planet in a circumstance where it could be hit so easily for profit (especially just after hitting Andy, lol). The fact that the planet had sats on it really doesn't mean squat in this case imo.

On the flipside of it, I also applaud the hit on Andy for the arties, as many ppl just wouldn't have the scrotum to even go for it. lol x 2. lol lol
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on February 21, 2012, 07:35:53 PM
yeah as far as i can tell standard game play, somebody attacked, was retaliated against, and is now talking smack.
if you think aa, or anyone else for that matter won't attack you are sadly mistaken.

frankly this game has been a lot less exciting since bfg changed the rules about hitting somebody less than 6 times a day and can be considered harassment.
make me want to go pwn some noobs in elwynn forest, well back in the day before they had endless 83 elite guards.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Neumiller on February 21, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
hey noooooobmiller - get on my level :P

10 points for funny. A small margin of you people manage to pull off "funny".
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Coolloser on February 21, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: andy nard1
Those two reports are misleading and you are not telling the full story, it is clear that the defender has lifted his ships just before the attack landed, therefore the questions are:
1) Was the attacker aware the defender was online?
2) Did the defender inform that he was online?
3) Why such has not been reported to me?

Since this thread is not about the above topic, I would appreciate if you reply to me by PM.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) I think everyone assumed you knew as there were AA members defending it in the Open Skype room
(When you make an assumption you make an ass out of "U" and "Mption")

PMing you now :)
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 22, 2012, 06:30:00 AM
I keep sat bashing Justice 96...damn this time no sats...will try again another time

Andrea Nard1 led an attack on JUSTICE 96 at Eagles Eye .
The following emerged from battle after 6 Round(s)

*****Attacker: Andrea Nard1*****
Artemis : 139163  (Lost: 7676 of 146839)
Poseidon : 6491  (Lost: 166 of 6657)
Athena : 1150  (Lost: 20 of 1170)
Hades : 1016  (Lost: 16 of 1032)
** Resources lost: 27,728,000 ore, 9,778,000 crystal, and 572,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 549,085

*****Defender: JUSTICE 96*****
Hermes : 0  (Lost: 5543 of 5543)
Atlas : 0  (Lost: 10040 of 10040)
Hercules : 0  (Lost: 12520 of 12520)
Dionysus : 0  (Lost: 16886 of 16886)
Poseidon : 0  (Lost: 201 of 201)
Gaia : 0  (Lost: 32 of 32)
Athena : 0  (Lost: 366 of 366)
Prometheus : 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
Zeus : 1  (Lost: 2 of 3)
** Ship Resources lost: 294,930,000 ore, 217,646,000 crystal, and 36,509,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 294,930,000 ore, 217,646,000 crystal, and 36,509,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 38,078

The attacking side acquired 0 resources.
96,797,400 ore and 68,236,200 crystal are now floating at this location.

for some strange reason one Zeus survived...sent another wave to complete the job

The attacking side acquired 568,444 ore, 2,479,063 crystal, and 15,284,332 hydrogen.
99,389,100 ore and 70,320,900 crystal are now floating at this location.

Now, anybody else want to call me out? noobmiller you do not qualify for that
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Doctor Death on February 22, 2012, 06:47:35 AM
No sats?  You're a filthy Zeus-basher!
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rufus Griffin on February 22, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Those 2 reports were merely examples.  I have many friends ranging many alliances.  and every one of my friends with out fail who has know of a friend of theirs to hit AA has seen that friend in return get smashed into the ground.  Why?  Because they had the audacity to hit AA.  "How dare they.  They must respect AA"

i personally don't think there is anything wrong with this policy at all.  i typically take no less than 3 times the value of whatever i've lost from the offender or their alliance.  if you blow up my car, i blow up your house.  if you blow up my house, i'm burning down your whole block.  i've found this to be nearly as strong a deterrent as FRS. 
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 22, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Wes Robinson on February 22, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
~crickets chirping~
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on February 22, 2012, 05:22:59 PM
So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?

You forgot the champ who started this thread #losing
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: headhole on February 22, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
sorry SIR nard, for not replying untill i next log on, prehaps next time you post something on here, you should text me on my mobile phone so i can respond to your post right away(pm me and i'll let you have my number).....geeze

anyway fair play your doing the manly thing, and taking to the one you have the problem with, AND not doing what you said you would do by hitting all KBF members low ranks and all, for sats and over night production

now i wouldn't be at all shocked if justice is thinking of quitting, with the amount of time it will take him to rebuild ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on February 22, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
What do you want for me to say Andy?...

You were attacked by a player for nearly 1,700 ships sitting on a nearly undefended (despite your claim otherwise) planet... You were not "bashed"... not by any stretch of the word.

You retaliated against the player who attacked you... (that's fine, I don't see that as bashing either)...

However, you attacked him back twice... not once... and you attacked him for overnight production, not for ships... (Okay,... I'll grant that you were "retaliating" for being hit first, but not going after ships,... just overnight production, that's kind of petty, in my opinion - even still, eventhough I think that it was petty, I'd still call it retaliation, not bashing)

However,...

The worst thing here, as was mentioned, is that you consider the actions of a single player "calling you out", to be a violation of some agreement with an entire alliance...

You made it clear to Boris, in a message to him, that you intended to have your entire alliance start attacking everyone in the KBF, because 1 of their players has the cojones to call you out.

Instead of keeping it between you and him, and fighting him 1 on 1, fairly - with Honor, ... you attempted to hide behind the threat of attacking his alliance's smaller members, if he doesn't stop attacking you... That would force him to stop attacking you, to protect his alliance's smaller members... because you didn't want to fight him 1 on 1.

Since you took the time to ask me what I think ("So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?")... I'll take the time to say this... I think that you already know what I think of those sort of tactics... I think that it isn't even necessary for me to answer that question, because you already know the answer, and I'd get a warning from Matt for a violation of the forum rules, if I said what I really think about such tactics.

However, with that said...

So far, it seems that you haven't done what you said that you'd do... so far, it seems like you have kept it between just the two of you...

So, good on you for showing that you have some Honor, instead of cowardice...

That's all there really is to say. - At least, so far...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: David_ on February 22, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?

Probably keeping quiet since you get threads closed as soon as get your last say.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 22, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
Let me make clear once for all, the two alliance had an agreement to protect lower ranked, a major member of an alliance, justice 96 broke such agreement, his whole alliance will pay for his actions, since such agreement was made 2 months ago, because of Justice actions.

Justice nuked before calling out, his call out has nothing to do with the message I sent to Boris, in fact, I sent the message before being called out. Of course that does not fit your scheme Monkey and you have to MIS represent the facts. You come here sentencing without bein part of this, you do not know the facts, and when such does not fit your illusions you ignore them.
Monkey, again, you talk and twist the facts, we are going after kbf, not because justice attacked, but because he broke an agreement nuking the defences. Can you understand that?
Yes, I repeat, AA wil, go after any member of any any alliance that breaks agreements, even by one player, unless such alliance takes actions against such member that we deem satisfactory.

Being part of an alliance means behaving in the interest of the alliance. Period. Do not the point finger at me or my mates, point the finger to the very single player that has broken the agreement.
Next time before writings monkey, read the terms of the agreement that have been posted on this thread. Justice came here, looking for you, Nami (under her new account) and all others to justify his actions, becasue he knows that he broke the agreement.

Anyway said that, it will remain my and my alliance prerogative to retaliate on any player of any alliance that breaks agreements, we will do it? It is up to us. Do to like it? Your problem, not mine. Do not break agreements and nothing will happen.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on February 23, 2012, 12:20:05 AM
Damn Andy... even when I complement you (well, sort of, anyway), you still have to talk shit about me... that shows your character very well...

So, lets get to what you said about me then, shall we?...

1... What scheme have I concocted this time, Andy?...
2... What facts did I misrepresent, Andy?...
3... What sentencing did I do, Andy?...
4... What illusions do I have, Andy?...
5... What words did I twist, Andy?...
6... What new account does Nami have, Andy?...

I think that you should re-read my two posts Andy... because you clearly missed what I wrote.

A: You (AA) had an agreement (with the KBF) that valid attacks could be carried out... Justice's attack on you was valid.
B: You retaliated in a rather petty manor, but it was retaliation - I did say this...
C: He nuked you back for your pettyness... okay... he broke the agreement - I didn't dispute this...
D: The agreement that you (AA) had with the KBF was that: "If there is any issue among members of the two alliances, the leaders shall be involved. AA members shall not have a direct contact with the leader of KBF, any issue shall be referred to me and I will contact KBF leadership." - But instead of contacting Boris when you were hit, you retaliated without doing so... you made it personal between the two of you - and he smacked you back with nukes, after you smacked him back for his overnight - then you contacted Boris, to tell him that the agreement was broken, and that all members of the KBF were open to being attacked.

You failed to live up to the agreement yourself - you were supposed to contact Boris, and work it out,... but you didn't, you took it into your own hands,... and look at where it is now.

So what did I miss Nard?
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 23, 2012, 12:29:07 AM
Monkey you hijacked the thread. I am not interested in having any personal discussion with you.

I am tired of you and your posts.

Keep this thread, it is all yours. I am just glad I have hit Justice after he called me out...

How can someone argue with you when you contradict yourself on the same post?

Quote
A: You (AA) had an agreement (with the KBF) that valid attacks could be carried out... Justice's attack on you was valid.

Quote
You failed to live up to the agreement yourself - you were supposed to contact Boris, and work it out,...

Why should I have contacted Boris if the attack on me was valid, and as I stated it was? You also stated it was....
Now, if Justice believe that my attack was not valid, he failed to contact Boris instead of nuking...so he did not contacted Boris because he though that my attack was valid...

So based on your statement

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But instead of contacting Boris when you were hit, you retaliated without doing so... you made it personal between the two of you

Justice made it personal failing to contact Boris, not me...

I contacted Boris after being nuked, unfortunately no reply, and till now AA is waiting his reply before taking any actions on other members...
Monkey GO AWAY I AM TIRED OF YOUR TWISTING OF THE FACTS. YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG AGAIN...YOU ARE TWISTING AND CONTRADICTING YOURSELF IN ONE POST TO MAKE ME LOOK WRONG...

Can you twist a bit more? Your last twist did not work
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: David_ on February 23, 2012, 12:50:09 AM
You asked him where his big mouth was, then told him you didn't want to talk to him. Then you ended by telling him to go away, but then asked him a question. I guess the pot is a contradiction...

What I still don't understand is why two top 10 players can't just attack each other. Why they need some sort of agreement to save them from ONE on ONE.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 23, 2012, 01:02:58 AM
So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?

Andy since this is the first time I have checked this forum in 2 days I was unable to respond.  I apologize for not making this thread my life to respond the moment you posted.  Do me a favor and go back and read my first post in this thread.  I declared there that justice is a known basher himself and deserves any attack he receives in light of that.  The only issue I had with your attack was that it was being justified as retaliation for him "bashing" you because he killed arties. 

Clarification: AA doesn't sat bash as a rule. In this instance, Justice had already sat bashed an AA member a few months ago, and Andy and Boris came to an agreement that Boris would handle it. In this case, he didn't, or Justice didn't listen and decided to do it again (and please don't tell me 1600 arts isn't bashing in X2) so Andy decided to do something about it. So now that Justice has decided to open up all of his alliance as prey (as was warned by AA during the first go-round), he posts here to try to rally public opinion on his side. I think you will have more luck buying another fleet to compete than to find someone to support your cause.
Your hits were profitable hits so I agree do not fall under sat bashing either. My other issue is with AA's mentality of "We are the greatest, we deserve respect. how dare someone attack one of us, they must be ground into dust"  a profitable attack in return for an attack is understandable.  Grinding them into dust or attempting to is not and hate to say it cause I know you won't believe it but respect is earned not deserved.  And in that regard AA as a whole has done nothing to earn respect but everything to lose it.

And yes just like monkey so far I will give you credit this time for so far keeping the attacks between you and justice.  If you want to earn a little respect back for AA Here is a little suggestion for you.  Rather than declaring open war on KBF why you don;t give them a chance to prove that they don't condone his actions in breaking the agreement you had with KBF by giving them time to maybe eject them from their alliance.  Just an ida I thought you might like to mull over in your head. 
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on February 23, 2012, 01:04:26 AM
You asked him where his big mouth was, then told him you didn't want to talk to him. Then you ended by telling him to go away, but then asked him a question. I guess the pot is a contradiction...
I get that from him all the time... I'm used to it.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 23, 2012, 01:06:41 AM
Yup...monkey is anything I said...

I am wrong always according to him, and to prove that I am wrong he proves I am right, like his previous post
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 23, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
Rydannia, read my posts...and than comment...
BTW just to make clear to you , monkey, justice, head hole, noobmiller...AA does not need and does not want your respect
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Neumiller on February 23, 2012, 01:15:23 AM
So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?

OI! hey .. only ship ditter can call me that.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Neumiller on February 23, 2012, 01:51:12 AM
I think its funny how Andrea still posts in a room it doesn't care about.
must suck being #2 oh .. sorry I meant #3 behind borris.
must be rough. 
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: OmegaNex on February 23, 2012, 01:56:03 AM
lol I bet it does, but boris doesnt have his account because he worked hard to get to where he is. He paid cash while even though i dont like andy at least I respect him cause he got to where he got cause he worked for it.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Wes Robinson on February 23, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
... Of course that does not fit your scheme Monkey and you have to MIS represent the facts. You come here sentencing without bein part of this, you do not know the facts, and when such does not fit your illusions you ignore them. ...

So noobmiller, rydannia, monkey, headhole...where are your big mouths?

It would appear Monkey only responded at your behest. "Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!" - origin unknown
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on February 23, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
AA never makes agreements that they break. you might just be confused if they have a galaxy nap with you. this means they will attack just from their hephs.

AA imo has a rep of being a good team, if you aren't in it you are a target.
i have respected galaxy naps with them make by lower ranking members, until wait for it... they attacked me in 2x in a napped galaxy and i set up a ninja. unfortunately one of the people on the gd was an ex aa member and let dread know that he was about to get popped. to make up for it i did some sat bashing in x1 and took dreads heph less than a week later. since then the AA tag has hardly been a deterrent. i know i am not on their team. i just try and always make sure there is nothing there for them to hit.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Kip Shiller on February 24, 2012, 05:54:54 AM
in x2 a mohaha nap? never.

we werent allowed to hit dereks pals - i forget their names.

in x1 we were napped in g9, and had asked derek to initiate the ending of that as he initiated it (if i remember that correctly)

Wuado would do everything in his power to make me experience psychological stress or "cognitive dissonance". But after reading about Wuado's intrusive schemes, I, for one, could hesitate no longer. Let me get to the crux of the matter: Wuado's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life. He should hide his head in shame before the judgment of future generations, whose tongue it will no longer be possible to stop and which, therefore, will say what today all of us know to be true: If it were up to him, we'd all be grazing contentedly in the pasture of alarmism right now. We'd be thoroughly unaware of the fact that no one likes being attacked by rotten passéists. Even worse, Wuado exploits our fear of those attacks—which he claims will evolve quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "incomprehensibleness" into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks—as a pretext to violate values so important to our sense of community. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that I wish combative, beer-guzzling scamsters like Wuado's zealots would quit whining and try doing some honest work for a change. From this anecdotal evidence I would argue that he constantly insists that he can absorb mana by devouring his castigators' brains. But he contradicts himself when he says that the laws of nature don't apply to him.

Quite simply, Wuado's long-term goal is to create profound emotional distress for people on both sides of the issue. I hate to break it to him, but down that path lies only heartache and tears. That's why I insist on mentioning that Wuado uses the word "calcareoargillaceous" without ever having taken the time to look it up in the dictionary. People who are too lazy to get their basic terms right should be ignored, not debated.

Given our society's new multicultural, multiracial, multiethnic paradigm, shouldn't we be thinking about how the future is what we make it? I'd also like to suggest that we think hard about how we should agree on definitions before saying anything further about his acrasial equivocations. For starters, let's say that "sesquipedalianism" is "that which makes Wuado yearn to disparage and ridicule our traditional heroes and role models." If we look beyond his delusions of grandeur, we see that it's a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of lubricious quidnuncs like Wuado can still be heard, worse still that they're listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them. Let me conclude by saying that we who want to test the assumptions that underlie Wuado's put-downs will not rest until we do.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on February 24, 2012, 09:52:47 AM
i was a pals of derek and had him and oolong had fleets income 4 second prior.
idk i have never tried to establish naps, nor do i need "cognitive dissonance" from your generators.



Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: foil on February 24, 2012, 04:19:52 PM
Hey justice,

If you are going to sat bash, do it without taking any losses and using very little hydro...  Did you rebuild all those sats back so I can destroy them again?
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on February 24, 2012, 05:58:29 PM
I found very strange that the OP has not posted anymore on this thread...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Rydannia on February 24, 2012, 11:32:30 PM
I found very strange that the OP has not posted anymore on this thread...
very true Andy.  I think it is because even though a lot of the posts have been against you and AA it has also been shown that even though we may not like AA we agree it was a clean hit and that we all know he is a basher and deserves it anyway.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on March 05, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
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JUSTICE 96       6 minutes ago
To: Andrea Nard1
Date: 2012-03-05 11:22:15 UTC
hello girly x warp gate used no point really u will only fleet save xxx

ps

dont forget to tell your members to probe me now and do your dirty work as u cant do it your self xxx

Seems that he keeps forgetting that I have hit him...still saying that other do the work from me, when I already ninjad him once and than when he called me out I hit his fleet...strange people ...very strange...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Master on March 06, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
He hit my planet for little profit so me and foil started sat bashing him with zeus, he then got so scared that his planets re-arranged so that he is no longer anywhere near us lol.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on March 09, 2012, 02:18:21 PM
I got this today :o from Justice

To: Andrea Nard1
Date: 2012-03-08 19:41:37 UTC
hay girly if u got some thing to say , say it to may face , not be big and say it on boards like a chicken and girly u r . i wish i could see u in the street u would be down in the gutter x
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 13, 2012, 04:26:55 PM
Justice must have a very hard time in finding targets, and therefore resorted back to his standard modus operandi...In this case he spent over 3 million hydro to launch from out of system...

*****Attacker: JUSTICE 96 with 975,000,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Poseidon : 9905  (Lost: 95 of 10000)
Athena : 9972  (Lost: 28 of 10000)
Hades : 999  (Lost: 1 of 1000)
** Resources lost: 3,190,000 ore, 1,125,000 crystal, and 205,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 1,885

*****Defender: Andrea Nard1 with 1,885,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Helios : 0  (Lost: 754 of 754)
Missile : 0  (Lost: 5037 of 5037)
Pulse : 0  (Lost: 1380 of 1380)
Gauss : 0  (Lost: 137 of 137)
Large decoy: 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
Plasma : 0  (Lost: 58 of 58)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 1,508,000 crystal, and 377,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 24,044,000 ore, 9,273,000 crystal, and 2,391,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 4,520

After 2 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 4,561,981 ore, 1,568,816 crystal, and 1,302,239 hydrogen.
Andrea Nard1 (DEFENDER) lost 35,331 RSP and gained 4,520 DSP.
JUSTICE 96 (ATTACKER) lost 4,520 RSP and gained 1,508 DSP.
The following defenses were rebuilt: Missile Battery x5,037 Gauss Cannon x110 Pulse Cannon x1,039 Plasma Cannon x54 Large Decoy x0 Helios Class Solar Satellite x177 957,000 ore and 789,900 crystal are now floating at this location.

So I also got more DSP than him... as I said, his standard MO: unskilled attacks...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 14, 2012, 07:28:39 AM
Stop whining ....

Defences are pretty poor to say the least.

Wanna cry sat bashing.

Have a word with Foil I'm sure he can roll his 1000 Zeus over even your best defences.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: switch on April 14, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
JUSTICE 96 led an attack on Luther Blissett at 3.15 ‎‎[3:228:15].
The following emerged from battle after 2 Round(s)

*****Attacker: JUSTICE 96*****
Poseidon : 9964  (Lost: 36 of 10000)
Athena : 9991  (Lost: 9 of 10000)
Hades : 9995  (Lost: 5 of 10000)
** Resources lost: 1,275,000 ore, 587,000 crystal, and 147,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 4,137

*****Attacker: Boris Alden*****
Poseidon : 9962  (Lost: 38 of 10000)
Athena : 9993  (Lost: 7 of 10000)
Hades : 9993  (Lost: 7 of 10000)
** Resources lost: 1,285,000 ore, 651,000 crystal, and 181,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 4,137

*****Defender: Luther Blissett*****
Helios : 0  (Lost: 3310 of 3310)
Missile : 0  (Lost: 5000 of 5000)
Laser : 0  (Lost: 5500 of 5500)
Pulse : 0  (Lost: 960 of 960)
Particle : 0  (Lost: 240 of 240)
Decoy : 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
Gauss : 0  (Lost: 240 of 240)
Large decoy: 0  (Lost: 1 of 1)
Plasma : 0  (Lost: 60 of 60)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 6,620,000 crystal, and 1,655,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 32,350,000 ore, 19,390,000 crystal, and 3,935,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 4,126

After 2 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 0 resources.
Luther Blissett (DEFENDER) lost 54,020 RSP and gained 4,126 DSP.
(more) Boris Alden (ATTACKER) lost 2,117 RSP and gained 3,310 DSP.
(more) JUSTICE 96 (ATTACKER) lost 2,009 RSP and gained 3,310 DSP.
(more) The following defenses were rebuilt: Particle Cannon x138 Missile Battery x3,748 Gauss Cannon x164 Decoy x1 Pulse Cannon x587 Plasma Cannon x44 Large Decoy x0 Laser Cannon x3,588 768,000 ore and 2,369,400 crystal are now floating at this location.



The mighty klingon fleet, hard at work for those crucial DSP points!  8)


Who bashes sats with possies anyways, in-system, when you have 25K proms with you and are under no threat of a lock? Pathetic :)

I did have about 40 millions worth of res there, that I lifted and notified my attackers that I was now online. However, apparently telling them (in good tone) that sat bashing me will result in getting the same treatment is "threats".
And we all know that the mighty klingon warlords do not respond to threats!  ::)

Let the games begin.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 14, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
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Stop whining ....

Defences are pretty poor to say the least.

Wanna cry sat bashing.

Have a word with Foil I'm sure he can roll his 1000 Zeus over even your best defences.

I am not whining, I just reported that Justice does not know how to attack, he got less DSP than me, he loss resources overall, you cannot call that sat bashing...looks more poseidon suicide attacks...maybe one day the little boy will learn how to use the BC and his fleet, for the time being is just a loser...
Boris, I though you were smarter than that, but seems that you also cannot read battle reports...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 15, 2012, 09:48:05 AM
The attack was not to SAT bash....

Some people send a polite message saying Hey I'm online....

Not Luther Blisset....
Luther Blissett    Hello    1 day ago
To: Boris Alden
Date: 2012-04-14 08:13:52 UTC
I am now online and will dump ressources into defenses before your attack lands. Hydrogen too using credits.

So if you continue your attack only sats will be left. Sat bash me, and I will return the favor with nukes/proms etc in the future. Count on it

Thanks


I don't respond to threeats and let the attack ride.......  A more polite message would have had us recall.....

Few lost ships hell who cares.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 15, 2012, 10:03:41 AM
Quote
I don't respond to threeats and let the attack ride......

That's pretty funny...so now we all shall bow in front of the great Boris and ask him, please pretty please do not sat bash me?

The message had nothing wrong, he informed you that he was online...and it is difficult to stand by your statement about threats...if fact who was threatening more? you attacking him, or him just saying that will do the same?

Ave Boris!
Title: Valid Targets
Post by: Klinghorn on April 15, 2012, 10:26:10 AM
I think a simple PM would have ensured Boris recalled.... His hydro was spent so had little to lose by continuing beyond a few ships.

With that kind of message threatening retaliation of that nature it basically becomes a challenge... I would do as Boris did... Dont bow down to threats of intimidation which is basically what the pm was...

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 15, 2012, 07:23:35 PM
Thanks Klinghorn...

A pleasant message in any Uni sees my fleets recalled.

It's just pleasant play.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Sam Carter on April 15, 2012, 07:36:24 PM
I do not normally bow to threats either, but he has also moved everything, spent everything.

So I would not resort to sat bashing, I would rather watch him close and get his fleet.

If I know all that is left is sats, I would recall, if they do not message, then I continue
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 15, 2012, 09:00:06 PM
Quote
That's the funniest shit that I've ever read...

It's really hard to imagine that Andy actually responds to threats from other players...

But, well, now I know,... if Andy attacks me, all I have to do is message him that I'm online and will dump all of my resources into defenses, and that if he doesn't recall, I'll nuke and sat bash him back in return for not recalling. - then he'll recall, because he's not like Boris.

Thanks for letting me know how to properly message you Andy

By the way... if some dork sent me that message, I wouldn't of recalled either - just on the principle of it...

On the other hand, a simple: "Hey there, I'm online." and I will recall.

WTF???

I am not talking on what I would do or what you should do...

I just commented, and anyway being you anything you will message to me will just be ignored...and since you make such strong statements, please state when I sat bashed you...never is the answer, and you would deserve much more than that...but I stick to my principle, something that you, Boris and Justice cannot do...since your principles change over time...
Go back and read the OP...than make some proper statements here...and if you wish I can come to your planets and sat bash you day after day...just ask for it
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Master on April 15, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
Thanks Klinghorn...

A pleasant message in any Uni sees my fleets recalled.

It's just pleasant play.

Id buy that if it were not proven otherwise to me early on in x2 as well as early in x1.

We were neighbors with your first account in g1 and you attacked me a few times and would not recall when I messaged that I was online and would spend down and lift. Same with x1 on multiple occasions.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 16, 2012, 02:27:51 AM
Whoa there Andy... no back-peddling allowed... your stance was very clear... you said:

That's pretty funny...so now we all shall bow in front of the great Boris and ask him, please pretty please do not sat bash me?

The message had nothing wrong, he informed you that he was online...and it is difficult to stand by your statement about threats...if fact who was threatening more? you attacking him, or him just saying that will do the same?

Ave Boris!

Since you're not capable of figuring out the order of events on your own, let me lay it out for you and everyone else Andy... (I know logic can be a bitch, Andy, but try to keep up okay?)

1: Boris and (whoever else was with him) launched an attack at someone named Luther Blissett...
2: Luther Blissett was online,... and messaged them with a nasty threatening message.
3: Because of the nature of the threats in the message (and it's generally nasty demeanor), rather than recalling, they let the attack go through.

See, it's really simple... this wasn't a case of sat bashing, it was a case of a player doing something RETARDED and not getting his way, because he was stupid.

Boris's post covers that the attack was *not* to sat bash... this implies that the guy had resources or ships sitting (I know, that whole "logic" thing, right?) ... Boris posted the message from the player: (as follows)

Quote
I am now online and will dump ressources into defenses before your attack lands. Hydrogen too using credits.

So if you continue your attack only sats will be left. Sat bash me, and I will return the favor with nukes/proms etc in the future. Count on it

Thanks

If someone threatened to nuke me, if I didn't recall - I WOULDN'T RECALL!!!

You however, stated your case...
Quote
"so now we all shall bow in front of the great Boris and ask him, please pretty please do not sat bash me?

The message had nothing wrong, he informed you that he was online.."

So thats how you expect players to respond to you... you say that there's nothing wrong with it, that is simply "his way" of saying that he was online...

So I took that to mean that you expect players to message you in the same manner... that's why I posted what I posted... Or are you going to back-peddle now, and agree that the message was threatening?...

You're making fun of Boris, and insulting him for not recalling, this, plus your statements, imply that you believe that the message was the proper way of telling someone that you're online... Well?... which is it?... he sent a nice polite message, and you would have recalled, or he threatened, and you would not have recalled?... You can't have it both ways Andy?... it's one or the other.

And look at how you replied to me... You clearly didn't understand anything that I posted... You make it look like you agree with what Boris did,... so which is it, for christ's sake, make up your mind?!? Another one of Andy's misunderstandings...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 16, 2012, 06:07:05 AM
The events are very clear, do jot need your patronising tone to explain something that was clearly understood. Boris sat bashed a player because he did not like the message he sent while was under attack.

I stated that the message for Luther was clear enough, and I do not find it threatening. Period.
Boris and justice have been sat bashing players, in frustration because they cannot hit anything.

Did you see my previous post? What did justice? Sat bashed, I do no complain, just I wanted to show that he attacked for loss of resources and I got more DSP than him. What you call that? Making. I profit on a attack and making only DSP from sats? I was not online therefore that cannot claim that I threaten them...any excuse is valid for them to sat....
Your opinion about Boris has no value, since you will never criticise what he does therefor any further comment you will make will be ignored, and I know that you will post a one page long message.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 16, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
meh, they should of followed up with as many ibm's as it took to set his def score to 0. the next time he logged off and then messaged back with a probe report, "hey looks like you lost a little more than helios."
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 16, 2012, 01:49:35 PM
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meh, they should of followed up with as many ibm's as it took to set his def score to 0. the next time he logged off and then messaged back with a probe report, "hey looks like you lost a little more than helios."

Wuado, I do respect you because you do what you think is right and do not try to hide behind excuses...although I do not agree with your game style, you have my respect (I am not sure if that is what you really want  8)).
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 16, 2012, 02:17:58 PM
thanks andy, i know we get into some times. probably a little bit due to envy, i play solo for the most part and jealous of the pack style hunting. probably just need a nap to put me into a better mood.  :D
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 16, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
Boris and justice have been sat bashing players, in frustration because they cannot hit anything.

Mmmm and Andy Nard i hops in on his own Alliance who goes back into v mode......

So in the world according to Andy Nard where players who spend money on the game have no skill.

When he sits in p mode and i hops inactives.....

Well for us guys who work a full day attacking is limited.

Yes I purchased an account live with. 

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 16, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
What are you insinuating Boris?

If you have anything to say better you report to BFG...

For the record your alliance mate Pudge might give you some timeline of what happened...unfortunately for you I will not save money and allow you to hit an inactive from my alliance.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: switch on April 17, 2012, 04:33:08 PM
Monkey:

So far you have managed to indirectly call me "a dork", "retarded", and "stupid" in this thread, and decided that my PMīto boris while he and Justice was group attacking a planet of mine was "nasty threatening".
I think your statements are completely ridiculous, and I am sure that most sensible mature players who read this will agree with me. Its also bad tone, and  definitely not helping the atmosphere here on the board.

-----------------

It was indeed a threat that I sent to Boris and Justice. Lets have a look at the word threat:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/threat

"Noun
threat (plural threats)
an expression of intent to injure or punish another."

Which was exactly the purpose and meaning of my message, to make a threat. To express my intent to retaliate if they decided to push through with an unprofitable attack against me.
You are only as good as your word in this game, and letting people "hurt" you without reacting is not a strategy that I choose to follow.

There is nothing wrong with threats, just empty threats. Empty threats undermine your credibility. Your actions should stay true to your words, and the other way around.

Boris and Justice took 3K sats from me for no good reason in my opinion.
They owe me 1500 each now, and when I get around to it with my play schedule, I will visit their planets and collect. If the cost of softening their defenses with nukes before I launch fleets to get those sats is smaller than the losses/fuel cost of sending just the fleet, then I will do that.
Sat bashing is not only boring, its also a waste of resources, so I will of course do it in the most cost-efficient way. This was what I meant with:

"Sat bash me, and I will return the favor with nukes/proms etc in the future"

If Boris and Justice wants to start a never-ending "bash-war" with me after I visit their planet is up to them. Personally, I have my principles and I follow them. I also make 300 millions per day, have a stubborn temper and a strong alliance and other friends at my back if things get completely out of control. Lets see.


I think my threat was reasonable and straightforward. I also took care to use a polite form and started my PM with "hello" and ending it with "thanks". Thanks for agreeing Andy btw...
There was only so many minutes left until their attack landed (in-system btw) so I also wrote it fast, and to the point so that they would have time to read it before it was too late.


Btw, if anyone wants to see some PMīs that are both "stupid", "nasty" and "retarded" in the very EXACT meaning of those words, I can post you some of the messages that Justice sent me after this episode.
He even sent me more messages the day after, even though I didn't answered his last one the day before.
I am sure Andy doesn't need to see them though, he probably has a nice big collection of PMīs like this in his own inbox.

//Luther Blissett
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on April 17, 2012, 05:29:21 PM
Justice is a loser

/endofstory
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 18, 2012, 03:52:20 AM
Monkey:

So far you have managed to indirectly call me "a dork", "retarded", and "stupid" in this thread, and decided that my PMīto boris while he and Justice was group attacking a planet of mine was "nasty threatening".
I think your statements are completely ridiculous, and I am sure that most sensible mature players who read this will agree with me. Its also bad tone, and  definitely not helping the atmosphere here on the board.

Switch/Luther,

I don't know you from John Smith... We've never had any communications before...

So let's clear up a few things...

1. The reference to "dork", was not directed at you specifically,... nor was it my intent to address you specifically in that message,... it was my intent for it to be a general statement meaning that any "dork" who sent me such a message, would not get me to recall... I'd fully let the attack run through on them... It was not meant for you to assume that I meant it to be personal. I apologize that you took it that way.

2. In regards to the references to "retarded", and "stupid"... I was infact referring to you specifically, but I was only speaking towards your behavior in this one case... and for the record,... your behavior *was* retarded and stupid... Does that make you, as a person, both retarded, and stupid,... no, not necessarily... it was just how you behaved at the time...

I'm not saying that you are retarded, nor am I saying that you are stupid... as a person,... but,... what you did, i.e - the action you took, was retarded, because you acted stupidly at that time...

I'm very surprised that you can't see that...  And as to my "behavior" on the forum... I am not PC... nor will I ever be... I am honest, and call things as I see them.

Also... I'd like to add, that your whole tirade about "doing what you said you were gonna do"... is just lame... it makes me think that you're like 12 or something...

Based on your response, I now believe that you wanted them to go through with their attack to give you this excuse... that's the only possible reason that I can think of, for why you sent that nasty little threat to them...

If you really wanted them to recall, you would have just sent a polite "Hey there, FYI, I'm Online", rather than the "whaa... I'm gonna spend all of my res, and use credits if I have to, and only leave my sats, and if you attack them, I'll nuke you back, nyaaa!" to them, clearly inciting them into letting the attack go through. (the "whaa" and "nyaa" were exaggerations added to exemplify the ludicrous nature of the threat)

As to any comments regarding boris and justice,... I'll abstain from commenting on them,... Both of those two dorks have made their own share of retarded decisions in the game, :P
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: switch on April 18, 2012, 05:05:14 AM
Sorry guys, I will stop to feed the troll now. My eyes hurt from reading all this crap, wrapped in fancy words. I have better things to do with my playtime.
^^ sigh
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Big S on April 18, 2012, 05:29:52 AM
I have only one comment to make regarding this whole business of sat bashing and all that. If you don't want sats destroyed, don't build them. Period.

People act like it's their God given right to build sats and not have them EVER destroyed, and if someone does, they are scum. There are three power sources in this game. One that is darn expensive, but has no downsides. The other is a little less expensive but has ongoing costs of hydro. The third is cheap and is destructible and leaves your planets subject to massive brownouts. Now you chose the third option, you took the risk that a d*ck would come along and sat bash you. So sorry. Crap happens. I guess you learned a lesson out of this.... Or if you didn't, you should have.

I think I'm going to start sat bashing, just because of the entitled attitudes I see from their owners. Just to piss people off. I like reading rants on the boards.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 18, 2012, 07:11:34 AM
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Sorry guys, I will stop to feed the troll now. My eyes hurt from reading all this crap, wrapped in fancy words. I have better things to do with my playtime.
^^ sigh

Welcome to the group that has given up any discussion with Monkey...and you also must have some problems with English because you cannot understand what he really meant, and of course your actions are retarded and stupid, but you are not retarded and stupid, just your actions are  ::)
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Sam Carter on April 18, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
I gave up reading Monkey's posts a long time ago.

Sorry Monkey but you do talk shit, and could probably put it into a much smaller post, so I do skip anything you write.

If anyone can tell me any posts that monkey writes that is worth reading, please let me know.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 18, 2012, 08:12:18 AM
Welcome to the group that has given up any discussion with Monkey...and you also must have some problems with English because you cannot understand what he really meant, and of course your actions are retarded and stupid, but you are not retarded and stupid, just your actions are  ::)

Andy, it's not possible to have a conversation with you because you either "intentionally twist" or "accidentally misunderstand" almost everything that is said to you...

I tried explaining myself to Switch/Luther, and instead of reciprocating a conversation, he resorts to petty insults, calling me a troll, and says that he isn't going to feed me... Clearly he doesn't know what a troll is, furthering my speculation that he's really 12yrs old, and wanted Boris to continue his attack.

Man, I can't stand moody, irrational people who possess no logic.

This whole thing reminds me of a time in the 6th grade, when there was a rumor going around that one of the larger kids mother was a prostitute... I remember hearing it a few times before, but one day at lunch, a couple friends were telling me stories about his mother being a prostitute... I didn't know what to believe,... I didn't know the kid or his mother personally,... but rather than just believe the stories I was being told, which were likely just rumors and gossip, I went straight to the kid,... his name was william moreson, I walked up to him, and told him that I had heard stories about his mother, and he asked me what I was taking about... So I asked him, very plainly: "I've been told that your mother is a prostitute,... is she one?"

The next thing I know, this kid has knocked me to the ground, and is on top of me going ape-shit nuts, screaming "Don't you ever call my mom a prostitute - Don't you ever call my mom a prostitute!!!" - when the teacher separated us, he lied through his damn little teeth, telling the teachers that I was taunting him, and calling his mother a prostitute... even after I explained my side of the story, I was still suspended for 3 day for fighting... and I was the one lied about, and attacked...

He was nothing but a lying little shit who couldn't comprehend basic logic... and you know what,... you guys sound just like him...  the kinds of mooks who can't grasp comprehensive logic... those who can't understand the difference between being told "You are stupid!", being asked "Are you stupid or something?", and someone observing "He did something stupid."

The only thing they see, is "you" and "stupid" in the same sentence, and in their tiny pea-brains, all they can see is "You stoopid!" (intentionally mispelt that for emphasis), so then we have to listen to them make idiotic assertions about how they were called stupid, because they are too stupid to understand that someone merely observed that they did something stupid, or asked them if they were stupid, but wasn't calling them stupid.

Being the logical, rational pragmatist that I am, I truly, truly, pity guys like that.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 18, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
Unfortunately you did not learn your lesson when you were 10 years old, and you keep making the same mistakes...but of course you are right and the rest of the world is wrong


PS: my apology for feeding the troll...last time I do it...no more, promise


edit to correct the age of Monkey, since for him was important
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 18, 2012, 09:36:04 AM
why monkey is just version 1 of paragraph generator.

he can't get to the point so it is lost in a jumble of words.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 18, 2012, 09:36:50 AM
1: Unfortunately you did not learn your lesson when you were 6 years old, and you keep making the same mistakes...but of course you are right and the rest of the world is wrong


2: PS: my apology for feeding the troll...last time I do it...no more, promise

1: At 6 yrs old, I was in 2nd grade... I was 10 when I was in 6th grade... that's pretty basic where I'm at, you know, America, right Andy? How many 6 yr olds are in 6th grade where you're at Andy?...

2: Then you really should stop feeding yourself Andy... because you take every opportunity that you can possibly find to take "jabs" at me, trying your best to provoke me... that is by definition, exactly what is called trolling. - since you're sorry for doing it, why don't you stop?

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of you always trying to provoke me... why can't you just leave me alone?... oh, right... trolling... sorry,... forgot.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 18, 2012, 11:11:01 AM
yeah trolling. this whole thing is about sat bashing.
i hit people for overnight, helios aren't the reason as long as i make off with some form of profit.
you message and my ships are already in the air and that you will hop that is fine.
why recall you aren't a threat, you want to retaliate do it.

blood feuds normally end in a loss for both players, play smart for profit or play a grudge match. both are just different styles of play.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 18, 2012, 12:36:54 PM
+1 Enforcer

Well said....
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 18, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
Boris,

Now I call you out and give a reasonable reply.

You let the attack go because the player threatened you in game. Fine I can accept that, although I disagree.

Now why this player is still in your alliance and you hunting with him?

JUSTICE, which sends real life threats? Unprovoked, not being under attack and not having entertained any conversation with him prior to this message

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To: Andrea Nard1
Date: 2012-03-08 19:41:37 UTC
hay girly if u got some thing to say , say it to may face , not be big and say it on boards like a chicken and girly u r . i wish i could see u in the street u would be down in the gutter x

The fact that you condone such statements shows how hypocrit you are, as well as Monkey which defends you and Justice.

Edited upon strong request of Mr. Max1, deleted a reference to alliance mates and friends
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Max1 on April 18, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
That's says everything about you, your alliance and your friends

Please expand on what exactly this says about his alliance. I am a member and know some good folks in here. Though I do not condone what Justice sent you, I find these forums filled with "internet tough guys". Who knew after all those years in the Corps I had to come here to find real "bad a@*&es".  ;D

I also consider Boris a friend. We have spoken for hours on team speak and he knows the game much better than your comment about his "mediocre" play. Is he a cantankerous old son of a gun? Indeed, but at the end of the day just trying to enjoy a game that gives us all escape from the real life grind.

I have no bone to pick with you A. Nard and have the words you will with Boris or Justice, but be careful with your brush when you are painting the picture of the alliance and friends, as you are then speaking of people you know little about...

Enjoy the game and happy hunting.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Max1 on April 18, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
Boris Alden is the leader of the Klingon Blackfleet alliance which has 29 members.
Klingon Blackfleet alliance was founded on: 2010-12-16.

Andrea Nard1 is the leader of the AleAle alliance which has 35 members.
AleAle alliance was founded on: 2010-12-16.

Great, glad we got the formalities out of the way.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Max1 on April 18, 2012, 04:22:20 PM
I have read many post on here and found some in the AA alliance to not only be drama driven but a bit nasty in their comments towards others. I have never let that effect my dealings when speaking to another AA member. I have found many of your members to be polite, show good gamesmanship, and good all around folks. My only interjection to your post was pointing that finger this way with the "All KBF" is that way.

 I have spoken to many outside of KBF and have heard some very negative things about Andy Nard and his alliance, yet I took it upon myself not to prejudge each of their members. If you read my first post, that's what I was asking you to do. I see that is not a possibility as you get wrapped more and more into this "dislike", so my apologies for trying to reason. 

EDIT: I will take it to PM per your request if anything more is needed to be said.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Max1 on April 18, 2012, 04:37:57 PM
Max1,

Six post on this forum, 4 here and 2 on another thread where you were devising a scheme to push resources to your alliance mates...

I do not care what others thing and say about me, again you are trying to change the topic of this thread, would you mind let Boris reply to my clear question?

To stop you trolling, I have edited the post...now can you let it go?

First off there wouldn't have been a 6th post should you not have called me out. Second, read my original post. It was proper and just asking you to take each individual at their own face value. I really thought I would have read a nice comment saying "you are right Max, I shouldn't have grouped everyone in one boat" but instead I find a person that cannot have a civil conversation without becoming agitated, upset, and even condescending.  I am glad your members do not reflect all your qualities...Good day
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on April 18, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
My only interjection to your post was pointing that finger this way with the "All KBF" is that way.

I was originally in KBF in X1 before I joined AA. I know firsthand how they operate.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: GHOST on April 18, 2012, 06:37:59 PM
I must say that I find these posts rather amusing and most enlightening. There are many of you who might ask, "who is this guy"? My apologies for being a late starter in this version. A number of you are the elements in my evolved education of the game as my lack of FRS abilities in the beginning cost me more than a few fleets. I do have a long memory, and in time, I will be around to collect.
I have found that a valid target is any target where gain is an option. Attack reports that I have reviewed here in the forums would imply that the majority are targets of opportunity rather than strategy.
Since the beginning I have aspired to emulate the tactics of the leaders in the game. I have received valuable input from such members as Kip, Nard, Boris, and the list goes on. I have also compared the difference of strength, whether purchased, or of painstaken efforts, with the conclusion that the end result determines success regardless.
In my current status, structure wise, I still trail by a vast margin those of you who have the lead just now, but it is my goal to introduce myself properly when I have the means to do so effectively. My only regret is the inability to find worthy assistance in my objectives. Good help is hard to find.
It is my hope to log in at some point to find that full blown war has embraced the universe, and that it involves some of the greats that employ the tactics of the KBF/ANH wars of SFCO in '09-'10. I guess I am just dreaming, but it would be a nice reality at any rate.
I respect all that have devoted so much to the game. Hopefully in time I will be in a position to make it all a little more interesting.
Good hunting.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Boris Alden on April 18, 2012, 09:34:52 PM
Ah someone who remembers the good old days.

Yes the ANH-KBF war was great fun.

Seemed to go on for ever.  We still have it in for any ANH players we find.  Old habits and all that.

Well ghost PM me in game and have a chat.

regards,

Boris
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: GHOST on April 19, 2012, 12:18:07 AM
Thank you Sir, I will do that. This unemployment is killing me. Have gun, will travel.lol
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: brakeman on April 19, 2012, 01:46:10 AM
Boris it's funny you mention the old days, I just read a post from Admiral Collier about the war between SoulStormSS and Rift. I am running for leader of DSA since May has left. This was his message.

 I was moved by brakemans message and have new respect for him. We were adversaries in SFX1 between SS and RIFT, but that was long ago and even then we did well communicating with one another during our little WAR. I was leader of RIFT then. So I will 4th the nomination for brakeman.

A great leader he was!!
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: switch on April 19, 2012, 06:14:36 AM
My turn to feed the troll again, sorry- can't help myself. :-)

It's funny how you can often see insecure people's own issues reflected in how they reproach others..

Twice in this thread monkey has mentioned how he thinks that my maturity level is that of a 12 year old. Strangely the second time because of my comment about integrity and keeping your word.

Yet, when it's time for him to dig in his memory of his extensive life experience for a story to support his point, we get a tale from primary school!
I got a good chuckle out of that when I skimmed his post. Stopped reading after "in the sixth grade.. " though, lol

Maybe it's time to get out of your mummy's basement monkey. Or start to apply yourself a little harder in the game instead of spending your playtime on the boards, or reading wikipedia articles about rhetorics.

Andy, Sue: i will see you guys in the top 10 dsp/rsp within a month or two.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 20, 2012, 05:05:31 AM
You whined at, and threatened some players who were just playing the game, going after fleet and resources that you had left sitting,... then when they were insulted by your threats, and didn't cave in to your childish demands, and give you your way, you come on here and, first, read too deeply into something that I said, when I was speaking in general, since I didn't even know you,... then you give a speech about "keeping your word, and integrity"...

So you threaten someone, trying to bully them into submission, and when that fails, you say, "well, I have to keep my word"...

Saying:
"I threatened to nuke someone if they didn't recall, and they didn't recall, so now, even though I acted stoopidly, and it's totally my fault, I have no choice but to keep my word..."

is just like saying:

"I told my girlfriend that if she broke up with me, I'd rob a bank - but she broke up with me anyways, so now I have to keep my word, and rob a bank"

12 yr. old logic.  ::)

Seems to me that you're the one hiding in your mothers basement.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 20, 2012, 05:37:09 AM
Andy, it's not my fault that you're too much of a mook to see the correlation... the threats are the same... he's trying to get what he wants by making threats of violence,...  if you're to dumb to see it,... that's your problem...
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: toffeecrisp on April 20, 2012, 05:47:31 AM
ok, from what i can make out, nothing out of the ordinary has happened here....

andy is well within his rights to a) threaten in context of the game, b) be annoyed when attacked and c) follow through with any threat.

I run a policy of, if its worth hitting I will and that is regardless of the ship/sat class and if annoyed i'll even spend billions of resource to nuke a super turtle, but I cant then complain either way, and funny enough I dont.

It's a war game, which means aggression is necessary to win. Threats, diplomacy, annihilation and dirty tactics have their place here. I choose not to use trust traps, but, those are probably the most effective way of gaining an edge in this bubble of unnatural innocence and kindness people so readily act.

The correlation between retaliation and Luffy's analogy, is a poor one at best, held whimsically by emotional responses of the girlfriend. Maybe she left you because she didnt care, so robbing the bank wont be any retaliation whatsoever.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Big S on April 20, 2012, 06:26:44 AM
People are getting caught up in the analogy which maybe wasn't the most effective way to make his point. But his point is valid, that there's no merit badge for following through on a threat that was made in haste or under emotional duress. Switch presented it as a sort of honor thing, which it's not. On the full spectrum of what is honorable or moral, it is debatable whether there's something moral about keeping one's "word" when it comes to honoring a threat that consists of a foolish action. It's better still not to make a foolish threat in the first place.

A better analogy would have been to two guys in a bar, drunk, arguing over something not that important (like whether someone looked at their girlfriend "wrong") and one person in the heat of the moment said, I'll put you 6 feet under if you do.... They "do" because they don't like being threatened, so it's better to follow through and end up going to prison? Or better to back down and realize maybe it's not profitable to continue down that course of action? THIS is a game after all, and in the game, nuclear escalation is rarely profitable for anyone involved (they nuke you back, and suddenly you are both flushing thousands of res down the toilet trying to prove who can waste more...)

I've known people who can't back down once angered, and it's usually driven by pride, not honor. And it usually drives them to do foolish things that can't be undone once done. I don't admire people like that, or think of them as particularly moral.

Maybe the above applies, maybe it doesn't. But I think that was what Monkey was trying to point out in response to switch.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 20, 2012, 06:46:43 AM
Thank you Big S... your way of putting it, was much better than my example, but I have to ask, is Andy really so dumb that he really didn't understand what I said, or did he chose to intentionally "misunderstand" the meaning of my example, in a trolling attempt to provoke me... personally, I'd wager on the latter...

The simple fact is this... I'm confident that the vast majority of players would usually recall an attack in progress, if you just send them a simple "hey there, I'm online" - while many players would allow an attack to continue, if you sent them a threat, such as "if you don't recall, I'll nuke you".

Regardless,... you understood exactly what I was pointing out. I'm glad that some players are intelligent and well educated.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Big S on April 20, 2012, 06:56:07 AM
Thank you Big S... your way of putting it, was much better than my example, but I have to ask, is Andy really so dumb that he really didn't understand what I said, or did he chose to intentionally "misunderstand" the meaning of my example, in a trolling attempt to provoke me... personally, I'd wager on the latter...

The simple fact is this... I'm confident that the vast majority of players would usually recall an attack in progress, if you just send them a simple "hey there, I'm online" - while many players would allow an attack to continue, if you sent them a threat, such as "if you don't recall, I'll nuke you".

Regardless,... you understood exactly what I was pointing out. I'm glad that some players are intelligent and well educated.
What is going on is the reflexive defense of "my guy", and the reflexive demonization of "your guy". It makes people unable to objectively assess the situation. It would be refreshing on the forums to hear someone say for once, "While ~Bob~ is my friend, he probably was mistaken to do ~abc~, and as such I can see why the other player did ~xyz~." Sadly, I don't think I've ever seen such a statement on these forums. It's improbable that one's friends are always right and their enemies are always wrong, yet that's the only position taken on the forums.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Monkey D. Luffy on April 20, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
1: You stop calling me names...first of all

2: I addressed your analogy, and all the posters have said that was a poor one, now how can you expect the others to understand you even if you are unable to use a proper analogy, which has the specific purpose to illustrate your thoughs in a simpiier way.

3: If you use a wrong analogy, I will pint out it, in fact I am not bumbl since I have pointed out that your analogy was wrong,

4: which means I fully understood your point, on which I already said I disagree.

5: However you expect that everbody understand your flawed logic and if they do not understand four flawed logic they are dumb....

6: Please explain to all of us how I provoked you, unless saying that your analogy is meaningless is proving you...which equates...do not say I a wrong....otherwise you provoke me...

7: and based Ion our logic you will be entitled to sat bash me.

8: Back to my original question, which you too have not addressed...why you condone justice real life threats and make such a big mess for a in game threat?

1: You called me a troll first. I hadn't called you anything other than "Andy" before that - although,... admittedly, I did say that you and Switch remind me of a couple mooks... although, that is not calling you a mook, only stating that you remind me as such.

2: "all of the posters have said that it was a poor one" - Only one other than yourself said that it was "poor"... so okay, maybe it wasn't the best analogy... but it illustrated that threatening violence to get your way, is stupid.

3: My analogy was not wrong - poorly expressed, maybe... but not wrong - the point of the analogy was that it is stupid to threaten violence to get your way, and Big S, unlike you, understood that.

4: You're either lying about this, or about your next comment, which completely contradicts this statement.

5: You're either lying about this, or about your previous comment, which completely contradicts this statement.

6: I honestly don't think that you're dumb enough to misunderstand the point that I was making, and yet, you claim to not understand it... so either you're trying to provoke me by lying, or you really didn't understand the point,... in which case, you lied about #4.

7: Where the hell did that come from?... are you saying that if I launch an attack against you, that you're gonna threaten to nuke me if I don't recall, rather than simply say "I'm online", eventhough you know that I will not recall if you threaten me??? why don't you use some logic there, and guess what would happen...

8: ??? What original question??? N/M, I found it... You've never asked me this question before...

Special: To answer the question (which you've never asked me before now)... Justice should have been suspended for making such a threat, any player making R/L threats against me, gets reported to BFG... but as I said before... Boris and Justice have both made stupid mistakes in the game... this isn't "new news" Andy.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Sam Carter on April 20, 2012, 08:15:43 AM
Andy, it's not my fault that you're too much of a mook to see the correlation... the threats are the same... he's trying to get what he wants by making threats of violence,...  if you're to dumb to see it,... that's your problem...

Monkey you know your not supposed to play this game until your 13. If you are older. Grow up.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Big S on April 20, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Robbery is a considered a violent crime.

"Robbery differs from simple theft in its use of violence and intimidation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery

They don't give out money at the bank for waving a banana in the air..... Either way, he already admitted it wasn't the best analogy, explained the point he was trying to make and you are still harping on the analogy.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Big S on April 20, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
Thanks! I have been called dumb because i criticized the analogy, not once several times...and the person that made the statement insist that I am dumb because I cannot understand his wrong analogy..

Furthermore you also miss the main point why the analogy is wrong, and I stated it several time...
The robbery in a bank has no relation with the girlfriend, there is no violence to the girlfriend, while nuking in retaliation to the attackers has a direct effect to them...
I see both sides Andy. I see why the analogy can be confused, but I also correctly understood the point he was making with the analogy. Now can you both stop talking about the analogy? 1) He agreed it could have been better constructed, 2) You've made your point about it several times

Edit: Er, it seems you removed your post while I was in process of responding.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 20, 2012, 02:28:02 PM
I removed all post related to this topic, I found foolish from my side to rationalize with people that calls me dumb.

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Lytjohan on April 20, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
+1
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 28, 2012, 11:36:19 PM
i'm so naughty.  :P
Planet has:
* ore: 255,985  (~64,663/hr) (3,500,000) (~3:57:31)
* crystal: 100,083  (~25,568/hr) (2,200,000) (~3:54:51)
* hydrogen: 65,803  (~19,006/hr) (2,200,000)
================================
Total plunder: 210,935 (9 herc / 43 atlas)
Dios needed: 10.5 (875 DSP)
ANDREA NARD1'S SHIPS:
* Helios Class Solar Satellite: 350
DEFENSES: (8 nukes needed)
* Missile Battery: 250
* Laser Cannon: 2
* Gauss Cannon: 5
* Plasma Cannon: 1
* Decoy: 1
* Large Decoy: 1
TECHS: (Espi 16, AI 13, Jet 15, Pulse 12, Warp 13)
* Armor Tech: 16
* Weapons Tech: 16
* Shield Tech: 16
The chance of your probes being intercepted is 30%

The following emerged from battle after 5 Round(s)
*****Attacker: wuado*****
Atlas : 45
Apollo : 25
** Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 875
*****Defender: Andrea Nard1*****
Helios : 0  (Lost: 350 of 350)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 700,000 crystal, and 175,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 0 ore, 700,000 crystal, and 175,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0
After 5 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 128,927 ore, 59,472 crystal, and 39,101 hydrogen.

Ore: 0, Crystal: 220,500
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: GHOST on April 29, 2012, 02:36:55 AM
This is what I find ironic. In 8 months in this version, I can match these techs. I have 238 DSP, and enough fleet to bring down a hella Heph, but my rank is still low. Should I be thankful for this, or filing a complaint?
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 29, 2012, 04:43:09 AM
Quote
This is what I find ironic. In 8 months in this version, I can match these techs. I have 238 DSP, and enough fleet to bring down a hella Heph, but my rank is still low. Should I be thankful for this, or filing a complaint?

Till now we have seen only words from your mouth, Ghost...facts nothing...

BTW...you are comparing X2 with X1, cannot blame you, Wuado in his excitement forgot that this thread is about X2, not X1

Oh Wuado, battle reports rules state that if you have used nukes you should also post that report.

Here it is

Your planet, VOD ‎[xx:xx:Xx], was hit by a Missile Strike from wuado ‎[xx:xx:xx]

The following were destroyed:
Missile Battery: 250
Gauss Cannon: 5
Laser Cannon: 2
Large Decoy: 1
Decoy: 1
Plasma Cannon: 1

Interplanetary Ballistic Missiles Sent: 8
Anti-Ballistic Missiles Used: 0

[Edited to remove coords - Matt H]

Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 29, 2012, 07:13:51 AM
I also felt naughty today:

Before

WUADO'S
DEFENSES: (652 nukes needed)
* Missile Battery: 20,095
* Laser Cannon: 1,895
* Pulse Cannon: 300
* Particle Cannon: 195
* Gauss Cannon: 315
* Plasma Cannon: 155
* Decoy: 1
* Large Decoy: 1
* Anti-Ballistic Missile: 30
* Interplanetary Ballistic Missile: 22

After
WUADO'S

DEFENSES: (615 nukes needed)
* Missile Battery: 17,718
* Laser Cannon: 1,895
* Pulse Cannon: 300
* Particle Cannon: 195
* Gauss Cannon: 315
* Plasma Cannon: 98
* Decoy: 1
* Large Decoy: 1
* Anti-Ballistic Missile: 80

Andrea Nard1 led an attack on wuado at Demon's Eye ‎‎.
The following emerged from battle after 3 Round(s)

*****Attacker: Andrea Nard1 with 3,074,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Poseidon : 106
** Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 1,080

*****Defender: wuado with 1,080,000 RSP involved (initial fleet RSP) *****
Dionysus : 0  (Lost: 60 of 60)
** Ship Resources lost: 600,000 ore, 360,000 crystal, and 120,000 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 600,000 ore, 360,000 crystal, and 120,000 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0

After 3 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 37,803 ore, 37,803 crystal, and 9,194 hydrogen.
wuado (DEFENDER) lost 1,080 RSP and gained 0 DSP.
(more) Andrea Nard1 (ATTACKER) lost 0 RSP and gained 1,080 DSP.
(more) 180,000 ore and 108,000 crystal are now floating at this location.

To: Andrea Nard1
Date: 2012-04-29 06:18:02 UTC
In the attack from Amanda Tapping on Demon's Eye ‎‎:

There was no battle because the defender had no ships or defenses.

The attacking side acquired 153,598 ore, 268,848 crystal, and 4,597 hydrogen.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Lytjohan on April 29, 2012, 08:46:50 AM
Till now we have seen only words from your mouth, Ghost...facts nothing...

BTW...you are comparing X2 with X1, cannot blame you, Wuado in his excitement forgot that this thread is about X2, not X1

Oh Wuado, battle reports rules state that if you have used nukes you should also post that report.

Here it is

Your planet, VOD ‎[xx:xx:xx], was hit by a Missile Strike from wuado ‎[xx:xx:xx]

The following were destroyed:
Missile Battery: 250
Gauss Cannon: 5
Laser Cannon: 2
Large Decoy: 1
Decoy: 1
Plasma Cannon: 1

Interplanetary Ballistic Missiles Sent: 8
Anti-Ballistic Missiles Used: 0



As far i read from the rules it just states:
"When posting an IBM assault, you must include:"

i cant see anywhere where it states you HAVE to include it. But on the other hand it does say - that the defender can post the reports.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: andy nard1 on April 29, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
You are correct, my bad...they are considered separate battles.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: GHOST on April 29, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
Okay, so I am the new guy on the block, who did not open this version. I commend all who hold superior rank here for holding it. Make no mistake, I will tolerate disrespect no more than the rest. If you think I am all talk, then bring your happy 6 over and slap me.lol You will find it no easy task.
Maybe you are right. It is quite possible that I need to upgrade my range of targets. That way I might get a little more respect here in the forums. As if I give a $#!^. I do need the DSP and the res at any rate.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: krown on April 30, 2012, 02:32:07 AM
you're not realated to THIS Ghost are you? http://forum.playstarfleet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8242
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 30, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
* ore: 2,427,972  (~64,663/hr) (3,500,000) (~37:32:53)
* crystal: 949,270  (~25,568/hr) (2,200,000) (~37:07:38)
* hydrogen: 618,884  (~19,006/hr) (2,200,000)
================================
Total plunder: 1,998,063 (80 herc / 400 atlas)
Dios needed: 9.7 (802.5 DSP)
ANDREA NARD1'S SHIPS:
* Helios Class Solar Satellite: 321
DEFENSES: (66 nukes needed)
* Missile Battery: 1,028
* Pulse Cannon: 201
* Gauss Cannon: 21
* Plasma Cannon: 10
* Decoy: 1
* Large Decoy: 1
* Anti-Ballistic Missile: 20
* Interplanetary Ballistic Missile: 10

The following emerged from battle after 5 Round(s)
*****Attacker: wuado*****
Apollo : 25
** Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 802
*****Defender: Andrea Nard1*****
Helios : 0  (Lost: 321 of 321)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 642,000 crystal, and 160,500 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 0 ore, 642,000 crystal, and 160,500 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0
After 5 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 834 ore, 833 crystal, and 833 hydrogen.
wuado (ATTACKER) lost 0 RSP and gained 642 DSP.
(more) (less) * Contributed 200 RSP to the battle.
* Lost 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen in ship damages.
Start End Lost 25 25 0 Andrea Nard1 (DEFENDER) lost 642 RSP and gained 0 DSP.
(more) (less) * Contributed 642 RSP to the battle.
* Lost 0 ore, 642,000 crystal, and 160,500 hydrogen in ship damages.
Start End Lost 321 0 321 0 ore and 195,300 crystal are now floating at this location.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 30, 2012, 05:47:51 PM
he was online so no sats today. although keeping d low makes it easier.
* ore: 155,730  (~64,663/hr) (3,500,000) (~2:24:29)
* crystal: 79,472  (~25,568/hr) (2,200,000) (~3:06:29)
* hydrogen: 423,767  (~19,006/hr) (2,200,000)
================================
Total plunder: 329,484 (14 herc / 66 atlas)
Dios needed: 15.5 (1,240.5 DSP)

ANDREA NARD1'S SHIPS:
* Hermes Class Probe: 18
* Helios Class Solar Satellite: 285
* Dionysus Class Recycler: 10
* Athena Class Battleship: 1
* Ares Class Bomber: 3

DEFENSES: (11 nukes needed)
* Pulse Cannon: 100
* Decoy: 1
* Gauss Cannon: 1
* Large Decoy: 1
* Plasma Cannon: 2
now
DEFENSES: (0 nukes needed)
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: the enforcer on April 30, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
nvm, got them.
The following emerged from battle after 2 Round(s)

*****Attacker: wuado*****
Atlas : 100
Apollo : 125
** Resources lost: 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 716

*****Defender: Andrea Nard1*****
Hermes : 0  (Lost: 4 of 4)
Helios : 0  (Lost: 285 of 285)
** Ship Resources lost: 0 ore, 574,000 crystal, and 142,500 hydrogen.
** Total Resources lost: 0 ore, 574,000 crystal, and 142,500 hydrogen.
** Destroyed Ship Points Gained: 0

After 2 rounds of combat: The attacking side acquired 128,114 ore, 59,381 crystal, and 123,150 hydrogen.
wuado (ATTACKER) lost 0 RSP and gained 574 DSP.
(more) (less) * Contributed 1,400 RSP to the battle.
* Lost 0 ore, 0 crystal, and 0 hydrogen in ship damages.
Start End Lost 100 100 0 125 125 0 Andrea Nard1 (DEFENDER) lost 574 RSP and gained 0 DSP.
(more) (less) * Contributed 574 RSP to the battle.
* Lost 0 ore, 574,000 crystal, and 142,500 hydrogen in ship damages.
Start End Lost 4 0 4 285 0 285 0 ore and 173,400 crystal are now floating at this location.
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: Kip Shiller on April 12, 2015, 02:58:50 PM
I thought that Andy, and the rest of AA didn't do sat bashing? (I know that I've said a few times that it's something that they wouldn't do) ... And, why would he want to attack other members of your alliance, instead of you - did anyone in your alliance help you attack him?



its been 3 years and i still dislike monkey


and this stupid forum layout
Title: Re: Valid Targets
Post by: censored on April 12, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
I agree :)