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Title: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Leela on September 13, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
Matt, can you tell us which alliance finished #1, there was quite a battle to the finish on who would take the number 1 spot...

Also congrats to Eugine on finishing #1 overall....it was a fun tourney... :)
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: brakeman on September 13, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Great job to all players who stayed till end!!
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 13, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
yes it was a bit weird to recruit players in the top 100 in the last two days, I didn't expect that given ANH was far ahead most of the game. It was kind of fun but weird. Maybe something to be done for future games, count in alliance points only players being members for more than a few days - and with no suspension. That would make the alliance part of the game less artificial.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 13, 2013, 11:28:13 PM
Well ANH wouldn't even have been close to [?:?:?] if alliances had been restricted to 15 players. Being #1 just because you've got as many members as the next 3 alliances combined is a hollow victory. I think alliance member maximums should be 1/3 as much as they were. It would be far more competitive given the number of players in the tournament.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: silly_me on September 14, 2013, 12:10:54 AM
that's why you go by average, not the total.  a big alliance is just a shelter for multi accounts and farms.

Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Matt H on September 14, 2013, 12:14:08 AM
I've was out sick yesterday and today. I'll try and post them as soon as possible.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 14, 2013, 02:41:42 AM
I agree the maximum number of player was too big with regard to the number of players, but we should try to have more players, not to make alliances smaller.
Then an alliance ranking does make sense if there is some stability in the composition of alliances. If people leave their alliance to hunt their former mates then go back in the last hour to add their points to the alliance they were hunting it just makes the alliance ranking absurd in my opinion.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: nitehealer on September 14, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
lol <3 when Vas gets all fiesty!!!

but yeah winning cause you have tons of people is retarded.  Should be a balance!
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Phil M on September 14, 2013, 08:09:19 AM
Best Alliance simply put was Exiled

Simply put the ethos of Exile is profit above all else and team work - my team in game was X-Ray, Vas, Ken, Iconic, Riker and a few others that I worked with and scouted targets for and we all hit for profit, everything else was simply game basics of working on infastructure.

Alliance scores should eliminate all memebers that are (i) (I) (s) and only have active players count at the end of the tourney - Maybe a happy medium of a 20-25 member cap as the smaller allainces have and always will be the better for average as they tend to be a smaller group of focused individuals and mass alliances tend to take the brute strength in numbers approach. That much is basic maths and obvious

Once again You were, and all have been Exiled!
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Leela on September 14, 2013, 12:36:45 PM
I agree the maximum number of player was too big with regard to the number of players, but we should try to have more players, not to make alliances smaller.
Then an alliance ranking does make sense if there is some stability in the composition of alliances. If people leave their alliance to hunt their former mates then go back in the last hour to add their points to the alliance they were hunting it just makes the alliance ranking absurd in my opinion.


With all due respect Duanra your last statement is absurd....was it not ANH who recruited Ken in the last hour, a player who was NEVER a member of ANH and had no doubt hunted every one of your fleets and had publicly retired from the tourney to go on vacation...ANH also brought back Commander C (also publicly retired from the game) in the last hours of the tourney . lol


I am really looking forward to seeing who did finish on top when Matt is feeling better and gets around to posting it.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 14, 2013, 01:50:48 PM

With all due respect Duanra your last statement is absurd....was it not ANH who recruited Ken in the last hour, a player who was NEVER a member of ANH and had no doubt hunted every one of your fleets and had publicly retired from the tourney to go on vacation...ANH also brought back Commander C (also publicly retired from the game) in the last hours of the tourney . lol


I am really looking forward to seeing who did finish on top when Matt is feeling better and gets around to posting it.

+1
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: renykeny on September 14, 2013, 02:36:35 PM
sorry guys...no one recruited me..i joined them because I wanted to read their forum..as it was the biggest alliance I figured biggest most active forum...I care not about alliances in a tourney..its all about the best player winning to me..alliance ranking really means nothing in a tourney
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 14, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
It's exactly what I meant... it is weird to recruit in the last days or hours.

Actually I had not recruited in the last month until two days before the end when I realized Wormhole was recruiting to get the first place at the ranking. I think we lost when pantin eventually joined Wormhole.

And just for the story, Ken already played ANH in season 2 (even if only one or two weeks) and in original I think (but that's really a different story).


Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 14, 2013, 04:02:16 PM
oh... and I don't think we were the biggest alliance (with 27 members two days before the end), just the top one for most of the game.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 14, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
Another thing, we got Commander C back to help us the last day, but he was in ANH before retiring so that's a completely different case. Another thing I am proud is we had no suspended player.

Well it was a nice season. We all know who were the best players, many of them were in Wormhole who was the best alliance in average points anyway. Some don't consider the alliances, but I like the alliance game. It would be nice if we could improve the game on that matter and make the alliance ranking means something.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: renykeny on September 14, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
yup..i played season two for the last bit in anh...I was also one of the original founders of anh back when it was starwars training alliance at the beginning of sfco
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: buckweed 1 on September 14, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Matt, can you tell us which alliance finished #1, there was quite a battle to the finish on who would take the number 1 spot...

Also congrats to Eugine on finishing #1 overall....it was a fun tourney... :)

when i last looked at the leader board before it closed was ?????

congrats to Ugine and to  Exiled for getting to the top spot, i didn't notice any cheating or bad boy tactics from him ,only true exiled skill :)
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Dark One on September 14, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
To be fair to wormhole they did not recruit me at the last minute, it was my idea to add my points to their total as again most of my buddies were in the alliance.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 15, 2013, 01:29:12 PM
oh... and I don't think we were the biggest alliance (with 27 members two days before the end), just the top one for most of the game.

Think again. Wormhole had 15 or so members and was 200M points behind ANH who had 28 members shortly before you had a recruiting drive at the end, which Wormhole decided to match so you wouldn't get a cheap #1. No other alliance had close to ANH's player count. Even at the very end ANH had at least 10 more people than Wormhole.

And you can be proud you didn't have a suspended player all you like, but Wormhole had no cheaters either. The suspended would have been kicked out if he'd been suspended for cheating.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Slimshady on September 15, 2013, 02:50:02 PM
Your looking for T4 alliance leaders, hell they haven't even posted T3 alliance standings yet so you may have a long wait.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 15, 2013, 03:31:36 PM
Think again. Wormhole had 15 or so members and was 200M points behind ANH who had 28 members shortly before you had a recruiting drive at the end, which Wormhole decided to match so you wouldn't get a cheap #1. No other alliance had close to ANH's player count. Even at the very end ANH had at least 10 more people than Wormhole.

And so what is the conclusion ? That ANH keeps its members even if they don't have time to play actively ? We don't remove members without a good reason if you wonder.
Had we kept only 15 members just to compare with Wormhole : our 15th on the leaderboard is ranked #51 and Wormhole 15th is #55. It's quite similar with Wormhole having more top 10 players at the end. The reason ANH is a great alliance is because we keep a friendly atmosphere whatever the strength of our members.

And as I said earlier, I had not recruited in the last month until two days before the end when it was clear Wormhole was recruiting to take the first place (a bit too late I think, my mistake given the ranking system). Our last message in the welcome thread was 27 days old when I accepted new members. More precisely four new members (including Commander C).

Then it's only the game. Well done to Wormhole and congrats to the winners.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 16, 2013, 01:44:01 AM
"And so what is the conclusion?"

That ANH gets #1 in uni's through huge member counts. And has done so for years.

"That ANH keeps its members even if they don't have time to play actively ?"

Most alliances do that. Only elite alliances don't. And while those alliances are always below ANH overall, they are usually much higher in average and dsp.

"Had we kept only 15 members just to compare with Wormhole : our 15th on the leaderboard is ranked #51 and Wormhole 15th is #55. It's quite similar with Wormhole having more top 10 players at the end."

Showing that Wormhole was the stronger and more capable alliance, and would only lose #1 to ANH because ANH had a huge number of players.

"And as I said earlier, I had not recruited in the last month until two days before the end when it was clear Wormhole was recruiting to take the first place (a bit too late I think, my mistake given the ranking system)."

Until ANH started recruiting at the end there were only 3 new Wormhole members, and one of those threw...
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 16, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
...his fleet away. I can't speak for Riker or Elvis, but I'd promised Brakemen a month and a half previously that I'd join when Boom dissolved in the final week, a scheduled event.
And I'll note that Pantin left a couple hours after I joined, so my addition didn't equate to much of a difference anyway.

The real recruiting didn't begin until the last day, after ANH had added at least five new players, three of which were in the top 30. Ken, Zeus3, and Doom all joined ANH before Dark One (Yum Yum), X-Ray, and Pantin joined Wormhole.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 16, 2013, 02:19:21 AM
"And so what is the conclusion?"

That ANH gets #1 in uni's through huge member counts. And has done so for years.


I don't see your point, you must have something against ANH, really.
All unis since nova have a limit of 50 members for each and every alliance. All unis, all alliances. You can use this limit or stay below. The time where ANH had over 2200 members (the original universe) ... old story.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Duanra on September 16, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
The real recruiting didn't begin until the last day, after ANH had added at least five new players, three of which were in the top 30. Ken, Zeus3, and Doom all joined ANH before Dark One (Yum Yum), X-Ray, and Pantin joined Wormhole.

We probably haven't played the same game. Zeus3 and Doom have joined ANH after Wormhole took the first place through recruiting (this is allowed !) to help us get the first place back. We noticed pantin was in Wormhole 72 minutes before the end and after a few minutes Ken joined ANH (this was a surprise for us as well, and a good laugh).

Anyway I wasn't arguing who joined which alliance at which hour of the day... only that it would be more interesting for the alliance ranking if we found some regulations with regard to recruiting and how to count the alliance points. I would be for counting only members that joined more than a few days before and are not marked (i) (I) or (s). Or do some kind of average of the alliance points in the whole tournament (every day points), which is probably even more interesting but may need more coding.
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Leela on September 16, 2013, 12:58:37 PM
As Dark One (yum yum) already stated wormhole did not recruit him it was his decision to seek them out, Pantin was previously a member of wormhole and rejoined them, as for myself I offered my points to wormhole after first confirming I would not take any ranking away from the alliance I was in by doing so. It was very apparent that ANH desperately wanted to take the number 1 ranking away from wormhole I just wanted to make that task a little harder for them.  ;D   
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Phil M on September 16, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
If its any help (probs not) the above is correct - both the guys from boom had said that as boom closes in the last 2 weeks that they would more than likley go to ?:?:? and to be fair it was all the one allaince at the start of the game which no one seems to have commented on

Most of these guys were in Empire bar a few then Ken left and the more active players went with Ken, that must have been about 3-4 days in then ?:?:? was formed by Brakemen and a few other guys went with him. I went solo as i didnt have a clue what was going on and didnt know anyone in any of the allainces and thats the way I stayed.

In the last hour ?:?:? was ahead but i never refreshed at 18:00 and when i did I got a game down notice so never saw what changes in the last hour made to the ranks and never even got a chance to reply to the messages that people were sending me :(
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: ... on September 16, 2013, 08:59:43 PM
wormhole had the better average and overall standings in points to answer the original question. All the bickering is pointless. Who cares if ANH has more members or inactive ones. Maybe they recruited players to join to take #1 or some joined them on their own kind of what happened with ?.?.? as players joined them. So anh wanted #1 and they didn't get it, at least there was some excitement at the end.

Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Vastet on September 17, 2013, 11:26:34 AM
"I don't see your point"

Sure you do. You just don't want to admit it.

 "you must have something against ANH, really."

Ridiculous. I have something against ANH recruiting twice as many players as any other alliance just so they can get #1 sure. But at the same time I love a good farm, and noone has more farms than ANH because of your tactics of recruiting so many players.

"We probably haven't played the same game. Zeus3 and Doom have joined ANH after Wormhole took the first place through recruiting"

You're delusional. Wormhole took #1 through skill. Hits and builds. THEN you went on a recruiting drive, and THEN Wormhole did the same.

"Anyway I wasn't arguing who joined which alliance at which hour of the day"

Yes, you were.

"Or do some kind of average of the alliance points in the whole tournament (every day points), which is probably even more interesting but may need more coding."

You'd have been 4th or 5th if it were done by average. :P
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Phil M on September 17, 2013, 12:51:14 PM
http://forum.playstarfleet.com/index.php?topic=20144.0

Glad i was right ;)
Title: Re: What alliance finished on top in season 4?
Post by: Phil M on September 17, 2013, 12:56:27 PM
wormhole had the better average and overall standings in points to answer the original question. All the bickering is pointless. Who cares if ANH has more members or inactive ones. Maybe they recruited players to join to take #1 or some joined them on their own kind of what happened with ?.?.? as players joined them. So anh wanted #1 and they didn't get it, at least there was some excitement at the end.



I was bored shitless actually and not excited in the least that whole last day