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Title: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 18, 2014, 03:08:01 PM
OK, i'm all up for buddies giving a hand to those below them in the ranks, but when d mode players start making it into the top ten it's getting a bit silly.

it is starting to make the game pointless for me, uni2 already has a winner in KK, but now the game is getting even more lopsided with a number of Marquis and xXx d mode players shooting up the ranks, flying past players who have worked long and hard for their positions.

Grumble over for now
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Phil M on October 18, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
erm,........ looks like those players don't deserve to be in the top 10 if a d moder can overtake them !!!
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 19, 2014, 02:18:43 PM
10   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   1,101,183,529,781

he was on 815,000,000,000 this time yesterday

Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Phil M on October 19, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
10   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   1,101,183,529,781

he was on 815,000,000,000 this time yesterday





you do realise you can still build and Q ships and techs when in D ?

plus I doubt that he is long term D
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Jacq on October 19, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
Yes, he is a perma D player.      The issue that I believe Grumbleweed appears fed up with is the amount of resources handed to certain players by their alliance members which has allowed them to leap frog past players who attack for their resources.     

RSP Rankings
Rank   Name   Tag   Building Points
1   Supreme Conqueror Kapt K Khaos‎   Maquis   1,329,541,522,742,387
2   Emperor JayCee‎   xXx   456,203,470,214,177
3   Emperor Osirus‎   xXx   188,549,244,205,748
4   Grand Warlord napl2‎   Maquis   4,066,346,666,683
5   Grand Warlord CAPTAIN SKEENAN‎   xXx   2,055,265,051,678
6   Grand Warlord Anij‎   xXx   1,946,632,806,559
7   Grand Warlord CreoleLakerFan‎ (d)   Maquis   1,679,618,278,749
8   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   1,076,026,731,953
9   High Warlord Baconbit‎ (d)   xXx   924,896,033,474
10   High Warlord Cali Single Guy‎   xXx   456,088,023,894
11   High Warlord GrumbleWeed‎   StarWars   196,307,900,488


DSP Rankings
Rank   Name   Tag   Destroyed Ship Points
1   Supreme Conqueror Kapt K Khaos‎   Maquis   2,967,233,540,647,652
2   Emperor JayCee‎   xXx   893,802,045,260,653
3   Emperor Osirus‎   xXx   548,568,603,537,198
4   Grand Warlord napl2‎   Maquis   6,184,305,575,168
5   Grand Warlord CAPTAIN SKEENAN‎   xXx   2,407,071,109,657
6   Grand Warlord Anij‎   xXx   2,083,033,095,463
7   Grand Warlord CreoleLakerFan‎ (d)   Maquis   1,586,586,547,917
8   High Warlord Cali Single Guy‎   xXx   1,489,003,170,794
9   High Warlord GrumbleWeed‎   StarWars   924,890,944,977
....
36   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   9,488,424,369
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 20, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
yes Phil, I am aware that players can still gain rank in d mode, but this guy has risen up the ranks in a crazy fashion whilst in d mode the whole time, he is one of many (10, in the top 100 that I believe are benefitting) that appear to be growing RSP faster than I can, and I'm running 4 or 5 attacks a day requiring over 100m dios a time
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Phil M on October 21, 2014, 02:25:41 AM
shame, looks like you need to find a better alliance or learn how to play in a more focused manner :(

oddly no rules are being broken and lots of alliances pull players.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 26, 2014, 10:36:13 AM
i was 120m in front of him last night when I frs'd:

9   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   1,690,527,327,663
10   High Warlord GrumbleWeed‎   StarWars   1,288,737,410,436

 >:(

 
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Anij on October 27, 2014, 02:18:52 AM
He just passed me in fleet rank - by about 7 billion ships. And still in d mode...
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 27, 2014, 06:33:30 PM
he doubled rank in 10 days, whilst in d mode.

impressive stuff
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: CMC Uni 2 on October 27, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
I am commander carter first I am not a perma D-mode player the reason I was in D-mode was because I was upgrading my warpgates now if any of you are real players you will know that if your warp gates are down you can not defend that planet or do Ninja style attacks second I made a mistake when ship building thus the jump in fleet size if any of you have a problem with the way I play the game please let me know and I will do my best to change so that you like me for the nice kind person I am if you dont like me well thats your problem not mine  :)
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: lazoputz on October 27, 2014, 08:27:10 PM
hahahaha, CMC, well put and funny at the same time. I dont play your uni, but I can understand the other players' frustration(s). However, if you are playing within the established parameters of the game, those players need to develop their own strategies to compete against you, rather than bitch about what you are doing.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 27, 2014, 08:37:16 PM
at least be honest, your fleet and rsp jumps have occurred whilst in d mode.

You have received huge res deposits from players in your alliance ranked much higher than most in the game, or told where to send dios.

Perfectly legal, I admit, but your rank is provided to you, not earned.  Now you have a massive fleet you should be able to keep it, as there are only a couple of players in the uni, not in your alliance, that can compete.

There are a large number of Maquis gaining massive advances in RSP and fleet, which again is within the rules, but they aren't gaining it through playing the game the way most players would consider "fair".

We all know KK has won the game by a country mile, and now it seems is making sure the Maquis do the same on the alliance front.  Fair enough, you win

What do we do now?
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 27, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
@lazoputz

there isn't a strategy that can complete when the one dominant player in the game decides to develop others at a pace that even the 2nd place player can keep up with on their own growth.  Uni2 has become rather more lopsided than most others I suspect:

1   Supreme Conqueror Kapt K Khaos‎   Maquis   5,421,117,193,400,973
2   Emperor JayCee‎   xXx   1,725,839,810,384,695
3   Emperor Osirus‎   xXx   882,435,685,620,088
4   Grand Warlord napl2‎   Maquis   13,650,006,375,464
5   Grand Warlord CAPTAIN SKEENAN‎   xXx   6,240,937,529,582
6   Grand Warlord Anij‎   xXx   5,562,776,264,101
7   Grand Warlord CreoleLakerFan‎ (d)   Maquis   4,355,008,611,306
8   High Warlord Cali Single Guy‎   xXx   2,142,761,531,882
9   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎   Maquis   1,738,653,089,979
10   High Warlord GrumbleWeed‎   StarWars   1,311,339,089,467
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Kaptin_Karl on October 27, 2014, 09:40:51 PM
I can't even begin to tell you how much i appreciate you coming to me directly with any concerns you might have had. I'm very glad you picked that path over going straight to the court of public opinion like internet trolls do.

I won't ever claim that i don't help out my friends. In fact i seem to recall helping out several of you who have posted here today on several occasions. So if this is not acceptable behaviour on my part then I sincerely apologize and you can have bfg transfer those donations back to me as a shipping error.

In the meantime if you think i've unfairly helped others move up in the rankings... just wait.

You ain't seen nuthin' yet.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on October 27, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
Fair comment, in my defence when I started the thread I didn't know it was you doing it, and thought that it was multiple alliances doing the same thing.

I believe that others have raised this with you directly and it changed nothing.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: CMC Uni 2 on October 27, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
did you read my post I made a mistake when ship building and that left me short so I then switched to building and tech upgrades which I believe will up my fleet score and rsp score now as for dsp how's this


To: Commander M. Carter
Date: 2014-10-27 22:12:10 UTC
In the attack from AC ‎‎[1:157:12] on Abandoned Colossus Platform ‎‎[1:160:5]:

The attacking side acquired 234,565,930 ore, 903,369,756 crystal, and 663,851,951 hydrogen.

Commander M. Carter (ATTACKER) lost 6,320,000 RSP and gained 986,342,727 DSP. (more)
Seekers (DEFENDER) lost 3,589,563,443 RSP and gained 0 DSP. (more)

339,229,773,600 ore and 221,669,973,900 crystal are now floating at this location.
There was a 0.0% chance that a moon would form from the debris.
However, no moon formed.

as you can see I am not always in D-Mode as some people have said I am I actually go out and get my rez so if there is a problem and you or others think I am cheating or abusing the game please go ahead and report me 
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: CMC Uni 2 on October 27, 2014, 11:06:02 PM
and this is the debris


To: Commander M. Carter
Date: 2014-10-27 22:28:18 UTC
Ore: 339,229,773,600, Crystal: 221,669,973,900
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Kaptin_Karl on October 28, 2014, 03:56:42 AM
Fair comment, in my defence when I started the thread I didn't know it was you doing it, and thought that it was multiple alliances doing the same thing.

I believe that others have raised this with you directly and it changed nothing.

Bull! You implied and then directly named me. So, let me set you straight on a few things here:

I have no idea what other alliances are doing, but I'm sure in some way they are "pulling" lower ranked players - including your own alliance. I have no need to defend myself as to what I do with my account, how I play how I share with/support other players because really it's none of your business. But since you've decided to be a troll and accuse me of something in such a public manner here are some of the way's I have supported / handed out res.

Rebuilt a Maquis Fleet after the player was downed by a stroke and lost everything before we were able to get BFG to secure the account

Rebuilt a fleet for someone in another alliance after they were downed by a heart attack and the account couldn't be secured by the alliance in time.

Rebuilt several fleets of Alliance mates and non-alliance friends who for personal and/or inattentiveness went inactive and lost everything

Helped several new players get a good jump start in the hopes that they might actually stick around and provide some new blood to the universe.

Helped a non-alliance player who took over a high ranked but poorly built account to get it rebuilt so it was playable in the current NPC dominated world.

Provided res to alliance mates to finish and or upgrade Hydro Storage. Since the needed hydro is hard to come by and the cost of multiple conversions was threatening to drive them from the game.

And lets not forget some of you non-alliance mates. The df's I collected for some of you and then returned to you many times the value of what I collected. The DF's I left un-collected near you. The random gifts.

On to your other point. Yeah a year ago I gave probe rides as a Christmas gift to my alliance. What I was hitting was much smaller a year ago. When everyone else whined and complained. I stopped doing it. (It was a one time thing anyways) My point is I stopped and moved onto a more philanthropic way of helping out and as stated above, not just my own people.

In the end if I was doing what you have accused me of.. pulling all my alliance mates up TRUST ME you would know it. With my average npc hit as of today generating 32 Trillion DSP and and 18-20 Quadrillion Res... Do you not think I'd already have the top 10 filled with nothing but Maquis?

So fine then. I'd say this topic is appropriately named because I am Fed up with this. Fed up with being blamed for everything that is wrong with this universe. When a buddy is attacked and I come to their defense everyone screams not fair you're so much bigger. When the npc's not generated off of me are "too hard to hit" Somehow that gets blamed on me for growing too fast. When someones ego can't handle being knocked out of the top 10 because they've been out played by someone... yup same story. So I'm done, done trying to make everyone happy, done playing by your rules, done trying to play nice.

Gentlemen of the Maquis, come on down the "Ride the Coattail Bistro and Buffet" is now open for business. It's easy street from here on in boys.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Dupres on October 29, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
It dont have to be illegal to be inmoral,i all for helping fellow alliencemembers,but do it in a systematic way,to bend the rules that way,is in my opinion rather inmoral .
Think its like cheating in solitude..no point or fun..but what the he.. Its your deck!
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: dave wyn the fuzz on October 29, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
Its your account karl, you have helped tons of people out, in and out of your alliance in the past including myself. There is a lot of players jumping ahead in the game with probe riding, npc hitting and at first it was fustrating to see, its my own fault i dont hit npcs. Im ranked 80ish at the moment and have been in dip for about 8 months now and have dropped a LOT. I cant wait to get back in the game and have a ton of new targets.

It is fustrating trying to hit targets in the top 5, my whole fleet cant get through a cargo fleet lol

The game is on its way out i understand what grumble is saying but think of it this way, the players jumping up in the ranks dont have the skill and determination  that the players who deserve to be there have. Blow em up :)

Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: myeager64@gmail.com on November 08, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
i thought you could only run missions wile in p mode
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: I am Grumbleweed on November 18, 2014, 12:54:15 PM
fair play KK, a man of your word :)

one month ago:

RSP Rankings
Rank   Name   Tag   Building Points
1   Supreme Conqueror Kapt K Khaos‎   Maquis   1,329,541,522,742,387
2   Emperor JayCee‎   xXx   456,203,470,214,177
3   Emperor Osirus‎   xXx   188,549,244,205,748
4   Grand Warlord napl2‎   Maquis   4,066,346,666,683
5   Grand Warlord CAPTAIN SKEENAN‎   xXx   2,055,265,051,678
6   Grand Warlord Anij‎   xXx   1,946,632,806,559
7   Grand Warlord CreoleLakerFan‎ (d)   Maquis   1,679,618,278,749
8   High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎ (d)   Maquis   1,076,026,731,953
9   High Warlord Baconbit‎ (d)   xXx   924,896,033,474
10   High Warlord Cali Single Guy‎   xXx   456,088,023,894
11   High Warlord GrumbleWeed‎   StarWars   196,307,900,488

Today

1    Supreme Conqueror Kapt K Khaos‎    Maquis    2,653,510,639,626,464
2    Emperor JayCee‎    xXx    1,013,166,684,389,153
3    Emperor Osirus‎    xXx    518,310,009,947,383
4    Grand Warlord napl2‎    Maquis    11,769,663,143,350
5    Grand Warlord CAPTAIN SKEENAN‎    xXx    9,133,531,089,334
6    Grand Warlord Anij‎ (p)    xXx    6,773,472,218,821
7    Grand Warlord Commander Tracken‎    Maquis    6,078,763,894,067
8    High Warlord Baconbit‎ (d)    xXx    5,862,181,413,701
9    High Warlord CreoleLakerFan‎ (d)    Maquis    2,879,618,285,274
10    High Warlord Commander M. Carter‎    Maquis    1,928,988,454,329
11    High Warlord Dr.Zed‎ (p)    Maquis    988,990,085,995
12    Warlord Cali Single Guy‎    xXx    778,203,714,827
13    Grand Admiral * PUReFILTH *‎ (d)    Maquis    690,838,680,480
14    Grand Admiral lon3star‎ (d)    Maquis    416,116,909,965
15    Warlord GrumbleWeed‎    StarWars    320,158,285,118

Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Sanctioned Parts List on November 19, 2014, 12:03:46 AM
I've been following this saga for a few weeks. Seems to me that it's about as close as you can get to the big no-no of multi accounting as you can get without it being explicitly multi accounting.

It might well be legal, however it is being done, but it's finishing Uni2 as a viable game. 
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Phil M on December 07, 2014, 11:03:42 AM
uni 2 finished as a viable game the second NPC's turned up and started rewarding people for nothing
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: Sanctioned Parts List on December 11, 2014, 02:19:56 AM
Yep....it really has become Farmville with lasers.

What little fun was left in it has been removed by KKK and his clan.
Title: Re: Fed up with this
Post by: DikmansRevenge on December 11, 2014, 02:48:44 AM
As I have been reading this thread I have been reminded of a a series of thoughts I have been having about the point of it all. It seems that there is a clear winner in this uni but now what? Should the game continue or should a winner be declared and the uni ended?

There is a solution.

Consider that every 6 months BFG starts a new game. A bunch of people sign up and there is a competition to get into the top 100. Then after about 4 to 6 months a shake out occurs and a clear winner begins to emerge. And then the game just goes on and on and on and never ends. It is effectively a race with no finishing line so to speak. (Unfortunately BFG has no incentive to end any uni that generates enough income to pay for itself. That is a principle of basic management. Stay in business as long as your fixed costs are covered.)

The clear solution is for BFG to set a time limit to each uni. At the end of that time a winner is declared and then the uni is reset. Not ended but just reset. So everybody starts at zero again. An ongoing tournament if you will. With multiple winners over the years and a hall of fame for each period of play.

Now there is no point to it all. This would give meaning to every uni.