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Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 25, 2015, 08:01:52 AM »

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 25, 2015, 04:21:13 AM »
take yourself a lil further back, Swan. It was greek and roman before it fell to the ottoman empire

I did, the Greeks, Romans and Persians all had the southern parts at one point or another, I was just pointing out the disparity in the assertion, that it was historically Russian, so only gave information pertaining to that ;)

While they've definitely owned the place in modern history, I'm not sure any one nation can assert a rightful claim to its land :D

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 25, 2015, 04:00:10 AM »
swan, you are beating a dead horse, mate. everyone knows he is a troll and he wont relent until he gets the last word in so may as well give it to him and leave him to it.

That's fine, he can blow all the hot air he likes. The reason he does it that way, is because people do relent. At which point, he claims victory (I could actually quote 2 topics where he out-right states he's out-trolled every mega troll on these forums) and that in of itself is where his grandiose beliefs are given weight, to himself at least. It's rather like a child, stomping around because you didn't give them something they wanted, you don't give in, otherwise that'll be the response you get every time.

He met his match (pun intended) I've no intentions of worsening his already dire condition, call it an act of compassion if you will. I apologise now to everyone who frequents the forum.

@ everyone else

While I am not particularly pro anyone, I do pay attention to what goes on in the wider world I don't see Russia as a threat or being aggressive toward anyone. On the contrary, it is a bit rich claiming that Russia is a threat, coming from Americans of all people. If you take a look outside of your own borders for  a minute, you will find that most of the rest of the worldl actually see the US as the most aggressive nation on earth and biggest threat to world peace. They have good form and are still up to it.
Also don't confuse Russia with the soviet union. The soviet union no longer exists and Russia has every right to defend its own interests and borders. Even during the days of the cold war the soviet union always preferred the chess game and was more focused on self defence and who can blame them? They have been on gthe receiving end of western imperialism for 100s of years from nepoleon to the british empire to Nazi Germany. Whatever could be said about stalin, his concerns about the west were very real put into historical context and they are just as real today for the current administration in the kremlin. It was actually the US who destabilised Ukraine and installed their own anti Russian puppet government. This is a well documented fact for which evidence is plastered all over the internet. Both the east and crimea are under no obligation to recognise that government, as it wasn't them who toppled the previous one which they voted for. As far as the reunification of crimea with RUssia goes, the peninsular is historically Russian and if you think Putin was going to allow nato to deploy their military to it, then think again. The man is not stupid and could see what you were up to.

+ 1 to the red parts

as for the green, Crimea was part of the Ottoman Empire, until the mid to late 1700's (i might be a little off with the dates here) .. the incursion you speak of regarding the British empire, was essentially to stop Russia dominating that area at the decline of the Ottoman Empire

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 25, 2015, 12:26:14 AM »
^ Doesn't comprehend that narcissism is far too complicated to comprehend after a ten second google search, no matter how intelligent you are. Naming some ridiculous '9 markers' bullshit proves it. As I actually have an education in psychology, I (along with the rest of my class) often took various real tests on psychological disorders. One of those was narcissism. Sadly I scored as rather average. Poor Swan here mistakes my contempt for his ignorance as a sign I believe I'm infallible. I'd offer to diagnose him, but he's not paying me.

Those 9 markers are the guidelines for every single person who ever gets diagnosed with N.P.D, The fact that you  classed them as "9 markers bullshit" means that what you just said about being trained along with the rest of your class, is bullshit.. If you had any experience in the field you'd immediately recognise the diagnostic manual for mental disorders. (exaggerated achievements & talents being your number 1 tool, and a definite marker for grandiosity)

Your contempt for me is purely egotism driven, you believe you're better than me & everyone else.. as claimed over and over without any substantiation here on this forums.. classic sign of grandiosity which is the most relevant marker for N.P.D
You continually display signs of believing you're special,
your continual reference to an audience (and i'm not the only person to state this beauty) means you crave admiration.
Every time your points are challenged you either use a classic defence technique of N.P.D which is projection (its actually quite ironic that this projection comes in the form of you calling out that people are projecting) or believe the person cannot comprehend you or the subject matter as well as you..
You show arrogant behaviour like I've never seen
You exploit others, especially here on the forums, when they coincide with your goals.

I don't expect you to agree, but please, do keep talking.. like i said, it'll just prove my point more and more, and now this is out there, everyone else will be able to see it too

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 25, 2015, 12:03:35 AM »
^ Adds narcissism to the list of terms he doesn't comprehend. 8)

So anything that's aimed at you in a negative light, is either projection or bad comprehension?

Yep, you're living in fantasy-land.. keep going fella, you'll prove me right to everyone else here too.. i dont need it for myself, i know i'm right.

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:57:56 PM »
^ Blind to reality 8)

Oh that's rich coming from you.. not only have I had to mediate one of your "i'm talking crap sessions" but now i've had to be a part of one too.. It's not the rest of the world you narcissistic fool, it's you!!

and before you throw the "most people who say narcissism, are themselves narcissists", i just went and looked you up.. DSM IV, you have displayed repeatedly 6 of the 9 markers associated with N.P.D. which given by a psychiatrist would get you labelled exactly that.

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:21:59 PM »
^ Addicted to failure. 8)

^^ I'd say projection here, but since it seems impossible for you to admit even the most abundantly clear mistakes made.. it would be hard to project failure you never believed you did.

and there lad, is game set and match, you believe more than religious people ever will.. but at least they've got others that believe the same too ..

Yours is a very lonely belief.. that has neither foundation observation, experience or evidence.

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:16:15 PM »
say it all you like man.. doesnt make it true..

much like scientific theory never being disproved, and then you turning your back on science with it shoved up your ass :D

Science is all about disproving or bettering theories.. to state otherwise is plain stupidity. That was the whole basis of my original argument, why i don't believe science works as a whole.. because one day we sit here and are suppose to believe this theory.. then tomorrow it'll be another..and another.

but we never got around to that.. your poor attempt at making yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are, backfired, which then lead to the usual vastet b.s. of making shit up, constantly claiming projection, twisting anything possible to suit his need, and what.. making himself look like an absolute dunce.

I bet you sat at the back of the class very quiet at school..

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:10:15 PM »
^ Poor baby is too ignorant to comprehend the depth of his failure. 8)

Wow, now there's some classic projection if ever i saw it.. i mean we've had pages and pages of you pretending to know what you're talking about, and the original problem with the debate, YOUR INACCURACIES, has been lost under the weight of your B.S.

but dont worry.. i'll keep reminding you.. funny as hell man.. you're sooo clever really.. it makes me laugh just thinking about you professing to know all, with that retarded mind of yours

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:07:01 PM »
You lost two pages ago when you couldn't answer my arguments and went full troll. Look in the mirror when you ask how it feels. 8)

hahahaha.. no dude.. you lost the moment you opened your mouth with an opinion which wasnt supported in any way and said Einstein was an atheist, and Scientific theory has never been disproved.

and then continued to try and argue your point even when wrong..

I got bored of your incessant trolling for a moment, til i realised thats what you wanted.. so i continued.. big difference..

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 11:02:06 PM »
^ Butthurt lies and projections. I've already proved as much, and I'm not big on repeating paragraphs that people are too stupid to understand the first few times. 8)

You mean you have no answer to any of the points, you have no proof so all you can do is throw unsubstantiated B.S. my way.. yep you lost.. hows it feel??

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 10:44:50 PM »
Butthurt lie.  again unsubstantiated B.S.

You STILL don't know what an atheist is, and you STILL don't know what a scientific theory is.

I know perfectly well what they are, its you who has been proven not to.. you cant claim someone is an atheist, when they themselves stated categorically, they aren't .. and then say the person who showed you the quote doesnt know what atheist means because at some point you could have a point with some other person we arent speaking about.. that's illogical nonsense.

Neither can you state, that a theory is a process in the natural world, and will never be and cannot be disproved, when the definition we both quoted, states otherwise.. you fail hard.. like i've never seen before, and this is obvious trolling, because your ego has been hurt.. you arent as clever as you think you are, and this poor kiddy, is a defeat, whether you accept it or not

Read it again. Either your reading comprehension sucks horribly, or your ability to get a point across while writing does. I just had 4 different people read that quote (without any of them being informed about our little discussion to avoid bias), and they all read it the same way: You claiming that Einstein believed in god. ::)

B.S. prove it, you've either misquoted, or you've done a usual Vastet, and made that shit up.. because nowhere, have I claimed Einstein is anything but agnostic.. even if you wanted to say, hey it followed the other statement about scientists believing in religion, so you must have been speaking about the same thing, Einstein wasnt named.. and as soon as i found out it was Einstein i knew who he was and his religious beliefs. as stated very clearly..

it was you that jumped the gun, claimed the scientist was atheist

The part you coloured in red is a strawman I thus far ignored to spare you even more embarrassment, but since you insist on making the claim repeatedly I'll point out I never said a scientist can't believe in god. In fact, I specifically noted that only a fool would believe science and religion are completely incompatible.

how is this even remotely relevant? I never stated you said that either. You tried to claim i stated that scientists believed in god originally, when i challenged that you tried to say i was changing written history hence the red enveloping the part where i said religion.

Me quoting other peoples words, is not me saying they said it, its them saying they said it.. unless i do a you, and change the context and or quotes to suit my needs

now child.. learn to follow an argument properly or get lost.. either way.. you lost..

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 09:49:57 PM »
^Describes only himself. Unsubstantiated B.S.

^Still doesn't know what an atheist is, and therefore just a completely ridiculous attempt to make an argument.

Obviously a projection.. you didnt know the difference, since you tried to make Einstein an atheist even after being shown him saying he wasn't one. Much like the projection, that I somehow didnt know the meaning of theory, when it was you displaying the lack of knowledge and common sense.. i mean seriously dude, the clues in the title.. theory is not fact

^Tries to change written history. Fails. no, thats what you did..and if i did it, you'd be the first person to quote it as a victory.. but you cant, however.. watch

I think you either missed my point, or went off on your own here. It's well known that some of the most venerated scientists were indeed believers in religion. I cant remember who or the exact quote, but a well known physicist said something like "The more we find in science, the closer I feel to God"

Then you replied this this with

And that scientist was an atheist, who used the term god as a metaphor so everyone could easily understand his awe. I use the term too on occasion, that doesn't make me a believer. It's part of English. It's literally impossible to grow up without hearing or using it in a English speaking area.

A completely fabricated unsubstantiated piece of garbage, that you made up on the spot, to try and win a point, probably betting on the fact i wouldnt challenge it.. well i did..

“The more I study science, the more I believe in God.”

–Albert Einstein (at best, Einstein was agnostic (which is neither belief nor disbelieve in God, but he repeatedly and undeniably denied being atheist, going as far as to mock them on many occasions)

This one is just for you...

“The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ – cannot hear the music of the spheres.”

—Albert Einstein

Extreme Universe 2 / Re: Sad day to be KBF
« on: July 24, 2015, 09:36:49 PM »
Not true. I gave evidence to support my claims and discredited your arguments completely.

No you gave a word here, or a word there, that was pulled out of context and or manipulated by your distorted reasoning.. that's not evidence.. you discredited no-one but yourself.

More lies from you. The gods we were discussing had no relevance to Einsteins concept of god, and you yourself proved as much with a quote you posted. Einstein constantly ridiculed christianity and judaism, and considered their concept of god as childish. Go smoke another one.

No, thats your distorted reasoning again.. not only did I not specify a god, I actually stated religion, not god. NOOOOOOOO again, the misquote you posted, where you tried to turn Einstein into an Atheist, is what you're talking about.. Einstein ridiculed religion, not the existence of a higher power, that is the true extent of what he meant by use of the word god is childlike, he meant the god of religions, and even went further in other quotes to specify exactly what he mean... Einstein frequently was recorded accepting that there may well be a god that's outside of our awareness or understanding.

Even more lies:
You specifically stated that many scientists believe in god, and then used an Einstein quote to back up your claim. You're pathetically out of your league little one.

No, I specifically stated that many scientists believed in religion.. which they do, even now, i can post a thousand quotes from well known scientists, but that'll never change your mind.. as it didnt the first time i tried to sway you with fact. I didnt even know the quote I was giving was from Einstein at the time of posting, as it shows in the statement I made, So that's a load of b.s. you keep telling yourself you're right, its fun to keep bashing your fragile little ego into more of this.....

Lies and projections. .... and this

Lies and projections. ....get the picture yet.. all you have is lies and unsubstantiated B.S. that any casual passer-by can see as false.. Try coming at me from reality, you'd at least have a chance of learning something.. maybe after several years of having your opinions continually smashed apart, you'll be able to contribute significantly

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