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Offline JasonDiaz

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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 03:29:39 PM »
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its very feasible, until someone comes at you with 173 Prometheus and recycles your Zeus.

Even 50 Promethium have a 75.9% chance of victory over a single Zeus.  23.9% chance of a draw.  Zeus wins out like .2% of the time there.  Assuming common Shield/Armor/Weapons tech levels.

Remeber, Zeus needs level 11 weapons to be made. That makes it's attack power 420,000 instead of 200,000. Thats... just sick. Like 200,000 attack isn't enough or something!


True, also the RapidFire calculation on my combat sim is broken, so its off, considering Zeus Rapid Fires on Prometheus.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 03:36:53 PM »
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Even 50 Promethium have a 75.9% chance of victory over a single Zeus.  23.9% chance of a draw.  Zeus wins out like .2% of the time there.  Assuming common Shield/Armor/Weapons tech levels.

I calculated how many Prometheus it would take to kill a Zeus in one round, thus minimizing rapid fire and maximizing profit. although you would have to lose a LOT of Prometheus to not make some profit off of killing a Zeus. I assumed the same tech levels, so that could make a difference in calculations as well.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2009, 05:27:10 PM »
A Zeus defender makes negating small attack on your world but for someone who wants the resources and to say they killed a Zeus makes it more likely to be attacked...

Best bet might be to throw it at a nearby turtle provided its not to big
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 05:43:04 PM »
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Even 50 Promethium have a 75.9% chance of victory over a single Zeus.  23.9% chance of a draw.  Zeus wins out like .2% of the time there.  Assuming common Shield/Armor/Weapons tech levels.

I calculated how many Prometheus it would take to kill a Zeus in one round, thus minimizing rapid fire and maximizing profit. although you would have to lose a LOT of Prometheus to not make some profit off of killing a Zeus. I assumed the same tech levels, so that could make a difference in calculations as well.


I take it back, my calculations were right:



Round 1
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 3 times for 600000 damage.
Defender fired 50 times for 100000 damage.

Round 2
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 4 times for 800000 damage.
Defender fired 47 times for 94000 damage.

Round 3
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 5 times for 1000000 damage.
Defender fired 43 times for 86000 damage.

Round 4
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 6 times for 1200000 damage.
Defender fired 38 times for 76000 damage.

Round 5
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 9 times for 1800000 damage.
Defender fired 32 times for 64000 damage.

Round 6
Attacker:
 Zeus hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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***FIRING***
Attacker fired 2 times for 400000 damage.
Defender fired 23 times for 46000 damage.
Attacker loses, remaining Defender fleet:
 Prometheus hull: 11000
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Remaining 1,000 simulations:
Attacker victories: 3
Attackers chance of victory: 0.3%
Defender victories: 736
Defenders chance of victory: 73.6%
Draws: 261
Draw chance: 26.1%
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 06:32:12 PM »
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Quote from: "Samiel"
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Even 50 Promethium have a 75.9% chance of victory over a single Zeus.  23.9% chance of a draw.  Zeus wins out like .2% of the time there.  Assuming common Shield/Armor/Weapons tech levels.

I calculated how many Prometheus it would take to kill a Zeus in one round, thus minimizing rapid fire and maximizing profit. although you would have to lose a LOT of Prometheus to not make some profit off of killing a Zeus. I assumed the same tech levels, so that could make a difference in calculations as well.


I take it back, my calculations were right:




Remaining 1,000 simulations:
Attacker victories: 3
Attackers chance of victory: 0.3%
Defender victories: 736
Defenders chance of victory: 73.6%
Draws: 261
Draw chance: 26.1%

But what if the Zeus was on defense?
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2009, 07:08:27 PM »
Quote from: "emeraldscorpion90"
Quote from: "JasonDiaz"
Quote from: "Samiel"

I calculated how many Prometheus it would take to kill a Zeus in one round, thus minimizing rapid fire and maximizing profit. although you would have to lose a LOT of Prometheus to not make some profit off of killing a Zeus. I assumed the same tech levels, so that could make a difference in calculations as well.


I take it back, my calculations were right:




Remaining 1,000 simulations:
Attacker victories: 3
Attackers chance of victory: 0.3%
Defender victories: 736
Defenders chance of victory: 73.6%
Draws: 261
Draw chance: 26.1%

But what if the Zeus was on defense?

That is Zeus on defense.  This is strictly 50 Promethium vs 1 Zeus.  Clearly someone with a Zeus would have other defenses, same as a person who has 50 Promethium.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 09:08:12 PM »
It doesn't matter which side attacks, ships are only removed from the array between rounds.

Also, that is not correct. 50 Prometheus CANNOT destroy a Zeus if both sides have equal techs.

A Prometheus has the attack power of 2,000.
A Zeus has 50,000 Shielding and 900,000 Hull.

This means per round the Zeus will never receive more than 50,000 damage.

This would be the WORST possible case EVER <_<

Round 1
Attacker fires 50 times for 100,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 50,000
Round 2
Attacker fires 49 times for 98,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 98,000
Round 3
Attacker fires 48 times for 96,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 144,000
Round 4
Attacker fires 47 times for 94,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 188,000
Round 5
Attacker fires 46 times for 92,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 230,000
Attacker fires 45 times for 96,000 damage
Defender fires once 200,000 damage
Net damage to hull: 270,000

The Zeus does not receive enough damage to it's hull integrity to trigger the calculation of an explosion.

Defender wins ~(0%) Draw ~(100%) after 9999 simulations. There is actually a very rare chance the Zeus will destroy all the attacking Prometheus.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 09:48:25 PM »
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It doesn't matter which side attacks, ships are only removed from the array between rounds.

Also, that is not correct. 50 Prometheus CANNOT destroy a Zeus if both sides have equal techs.

A Prometheus has the attack power of 2,000.
A Zeus has 50,000 Shielding and 900,000 Hull.

This means per round the Zeus will never receive more than 50,000 damage.
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The Zeus does not receive enough damage to it's hull integrity to trigger the calculation of an explosion.

Defender wins ~(0%) Draw ~(100%) after 9999 simulations. There is actually a very rare chance the Zeus will destroy all the attacking Prometheus.

This is with both sides having Tech levels (all three) of 10, see the Zeus get drained:

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Yep, look better now?  Looks like a draw almost always.
Round 1
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 900000
Defender:
 Prometheus 1 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 5 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 50 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 1 times for 200000 damage.
Defender fired 50 times for 100000 damage.

Round 2
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 850000
Defender:
 Prometheus 1 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 5 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 49 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 1 times for 200000 damage.
Defender fired 49 times for 98000 damage.

Round 3
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 802000
Defender:
 Prometheus 1 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 49 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 10 times for 2000000 damage.
Defender fired 48 times for 96000 damage.

Round 4
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 756000
Defender:
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 10 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 49 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 9 times for 1800000 damage.
Defender fired 38 times for 76000 damage.

Round 5
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 730000
Defender:
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
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 Prometheus 40 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 42 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 43 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 44 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 45 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 48 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 5 times for 1000000 damage.
Defender fired 30 times for 60000 damage.

Round 6
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 720000
Defender:
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 7 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 10 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 13 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 14 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 15 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 16 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 19 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 20 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 22 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 25 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 26 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 28 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 29 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 31 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 34 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 39 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 40 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 42 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 43 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 44 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 48 hull: 11000
***FIRING***
Attacker fired 1 times for 200000 damage.
Defender fired 25 times for 50000 damage.
Draw, remaining fleets:
Attacker:
 Zeus 1 hull: 720000
Defender:
 Prometheus 2 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 3 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 4 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 6 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 7 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 10 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 13 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 14 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 15 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 16 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 19 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 20 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 22 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 26 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 28 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 29 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 31 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 34 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 39 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 40 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 42 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 43 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 44 hull: 11000
 Prometheus 48 hull: 11000

Remaining 1,000 simulations:
Attacker victories: 9
Attackers chance of victory: 0.9%
Defender victories: 0
Defenders chance of victory: 0.0%
Draws: 991
Draw chance: 99.1%


Once you hit 75 Proms it starts to look better:

Remaining 1,000 simulations:
Attacker victories: 0
Attackers chance of victory: 0.0%
Defender victories: 882
Defenders chance of victory: 88.2%
Draws: 118
Draw chance: 11.8%
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2009, 11:20:34 PM »
And here are the results for both situations with rapid fire ^^

50 Prometheus vs 1 Zeus
| Defender wins (0%) || Draw (100%) | after ~ 6 rounds
Losses Attacker: 1,620,000 Ore, 1,350,000 Crystal and 405,000 Hydrogen
Losses Defender: 0
Attacker Profit: There is none

75 Prometheus vs 1 Zeus
| Attacker wins (99%) || Draw (1%) | after ~ 4 rounds
Losses Attacker: 1,020,000 Ore, 850,000 Crystal and 255,000 Hydrogen
Losses Defender: 5,000,000 Ore, 4,000,000 Crystal and 1,000,000 Hydrogen
Attacker Profit: 786,000 Ore, 605,000 Crystal and -255,000 Hydrogen
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 11:23:19 PM »
Quote from: "Laggynate"
And here are the results for both situations with rapid fire ^^

50 Prometheus vs 1 Zeus
| Defender wins (0%) || Draw (100%) | after ~ 6 rounds
Losses Attacker: 1,620,000 Ore, 1,350,000 Crystal and 405,000 Hydrogen
Losses Defender: 0
Attacker Profit: There is none

75 Prometheus vs 1 Zeus
| Attacker wins (99%) || Draw (1%) | after ~ 4 rounds
Losses Attacker: 1,020,000 Ore, 850,000 Crystal and 255,000 Hydrogen
Losses Defender: 5,000,000 Ore, 4,000,000 Crystal and 1,000,000 Hydrogen
Attacker Profit: 786,000 Ore, 605,000 Crystal and -255,000 Hydrogen


One thing I want to add to my combat sim is the amount of Ore and Crystal that would show up, I wonder what the rules are for that...
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2009, 11:26:29 PM »
The calculation for debris is 30% of the value of the ore and crystal of all ships that were destroyed during the battle.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2009, 11:32:51 PM »
Cool, by the way rapid fire is working for my sim now, so are tech levels.  I think I will add ore and crystal this weekend, as well as shields absorption each round.

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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2009, 11:39:12 AM »
how many hours need to built a zeus with minimum tech requirement? and how many field needed only for the storages? i'm just wondering though  :mrgreen:
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2009, 07:50:52 PM »
Well with just a shipyard level 12 and no foundry it would take.. 2 day 8h 15m to build one Zeus.
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Re: Zeus Defenders?
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2009, 08:22:58 PM »
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Well with just a shipyard level 12 and no foundry it would take.. 2 day 8h 15m to build one Zeus.

good God!  :shock:  1 zeus worth warp lvl 5 research time, least thats my time

thx for the answer Lag
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