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Re: Sad day to be KBF
« Reply #75 on: May 25, 2015, 12:36:20 PM »
I understand perfectly how the military works. I appreciate that soldiers are sent to where they are required without choice. However, last time I checked, there was no national service requirement in the US so every soldier has the choice, first and foremost, on whether to sign up or not.

Also you have no idea what it is like in North Korea and neither do I so I am not going to speculate and will maintain an open mind. Suffice to say, however, if you do a bit of research and dig into the history of the Korean war, you will see why it is within the interests of the US government to paint it as a brutal dictatorial regime. Saudi Arabia is also a brutal regime. However, one which is good for business so their human rights abuses are kept on the down low.

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Your first paragraph should be highlighted. Since the Vietnam War, we in the State's have not had a draft. Those of us you served chose to do so.

Your second paragraph is false. We do know what goes on in North Korea and it is disgusting. Not only human rights violations, but MAJOR quality of life issues.
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« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2015, 12:46:39 PM »
Saudi Arabia is no better. Nor is Qatar, the country with the worlds biggest slave population. Literally.

I don't agree with Grace on honouring soldiers, but if you think the US isn't the worlds biggest hypocrite when it comes to foreign policy, you have another think coming. At least half the dictators in the world in the last 20 years were installed by the US. The reason Cuba went on the US's shitlist is because they threw the US dictator out. Half of South America has had to depose American dictators.

And much of the reason North Korea is in such bad shape is because the US made it that way.
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« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2015, 12:49:20 PM »
Censored - why don't you agree about honoring soldiers? Forget the politics. Every country has its hands in the cookie jar. They are always looking to get the upper edge.
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« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2015, 12:51:21 PM »
And you are way off on North Korea. Their government did that to themselves. And their people eat that up.
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« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2015, 12:52:38 PM »
No, the US screwed up North Korea by strangling North Korea. YOU are way off.
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« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2015, 12:54:22 PM »
Censored - why don't you agree about honoring soldiers? Forget the politics. Every country has its hands in the cookie jar. They are always looking to get the upper edge.

Are you suggesting I shouldn't honour them? I thought you also disagreed with Grace on that point.
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« Reply #81 on: May 25, 2015, 01:05:44 PM »
Are you suggesting I shouldn't honour them? I thought you also disagreed with Grace on that point.

Disregard this point. I misunderstood.

However North Korea. So one country, the United States, is strangling them? Their buddies in China, and Russia, can't help them? And even if they are being so strangled, how are they managing such a military presence? Developing nukes? How about they develop more farm fields. Miniaturizing nukes? No easy feat. How about miniaturizing their military budget.
That country is going to cause a major issues if lil' Kim keeps up his nonsense. You think South Korea was happy when the North sunk one of their destroyers. It took a lot to walk that back.
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« Reply #82 on: May 25, 2015, 01:23:39 PM »
No their 'buddies' (and I use the term very loosely) can't help them. Not much anyway. They do what they can, in their own interests, but why would Russia or China risk war with the US over North Korea?
When you are cut off from 99% of the global economy, you suffer.
They manage a military presence because sanctions can only do so much damage. In North Koreas case, every time more sanctions appear the people suffer more than the government.
First the US let Japan annex the whole peninsula, then the US got the UN to divide the country in half, and then the US imposed crippling sanctions DECADES before North Korea ever had a nuke. The fact is that North Korea began their nuclear programme to defend themselves. That they actually got some is testament to their capabilities.

The current government might as well have been placed there by the US. Most everyone in North Korea supports the government because they know damn well that the US is not and has never been their friend. A century of bullying will make you an enemy, no matter what country it is that you bully.
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« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2015, 01:39:01 PM »
Well that's my point. Sanctions were in place long before they had a nuke. So what do they decide to do? Let's develop a nuclear weapons and screw feeding our people. And for defense you say? That is a weak argument. Who was going into invade them? No one.
And even if all that was the State's fault, what does that have to do with what goes on over there. Concentration camps that revival those of the Nazi's. Shooting someone because they disagree. Free thought over there is only free as long as you agree with lil' Kim. Notice he is the only one who has any weight on him? He never misses a meal, but his people do.
We can sit here and fill this thread up until the cows come home. It's never going to change our opinions. I'm done high jacking this thread. To those who served/serve, I salute you. Moving on.
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« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2015, 01:41:57 PM »
I will make one final comment on this before I leave you all to it.

First and foremost, if you sign up to join the army, then you sign up for everything that goes with it. If you want to honour this, then good for you. While I do realise that there  are some soldiers who believe they are fighting a noble cause, if the truth be told, every war the US has engaged in since and during WW2 has been to further their own geopolitical ends. When they tell you that you are serving to protect you country, what they really mean is that you are protecting their global interests.

2ndly, there are more human rights abuses in the US than there are in North Korea so before you start pointing fingers at any other country, you need to look a lil closer to home first.

Finally, people join the military for different reasons. Some are indoctrinated since childhood with all of that justice and liberty crap. Others are do it as a way out of poverty or whatever other reason. There are also some who actually believe that they are defending their country when, in fact, it is not their country which needs defending but rather the other way round.

I respect servicemen in principle if they believe they are joining up for the right reasons. However, I wont respect a soldier just because he joined up and has bee shot at. Really, so what? It is your job and what you signed up for and my respect goes first and foremost to those refugees and devastated communities who's lives have been destroyed by your warped notions of justice, honour and democracy. Seriously, go and preach to an orphaned child who's parents were killed by US drones that you are serving for the right reasons and how worthy you are of their respect.

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« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2015, 01:45:51 PM »
Your second paragraph is false. We do know what goes on in North Korea and it is disgusting. Not only human rights violations, but MAJOR quality of life issues.

No, you don't. You only know what propaganda your corporate media feeds you. North Korea is a buffer zone for china... who the US are doing their best to contain and restrain. Take a look at a world map and you will see that the US has Both China and Russia surrounded with military bases.

North Korea has nukes to protect itself from US imperialism.
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« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2015, 01:51:39 PM »
Well that's my point. Sanctions were in place long before they had a nuke. So what do they decide to do? Let's develop a nuclear weapons and screw feeding our people. And for defense you say? That is a weak argument. Who was going into invade them? No one.

When the worlds most powerful country puts a major military base complete with atomic weapons right on your border, a little paranoia is to be expected. I'd have done exactly the same thing. And now that they've done it, they have the capability to royally screw the US over if the US tries to invade. And the US knows it. So to a certain extent North Korea is safe.
Until China finishes with the southern seas and steps on them, anyway.

And even if all that was the State's fault, what does that have to do with what goes on over there. Concentration camps that revival those of the Nazi's. Shooting someone because they disagree. Free thought over there is only free as long as you agree with lil' Kim. Notice he is the only one who has any weight on him? He never misses a meal, but his people do.

Because of US sanctions. The people weren't starving until the US screwed them.
And if it's so bad that North Korea does it, why is the US doing it in Guantanamo? Why does the US imprison more people than anyone else? Why does the US ally with the brutal Saudi's and the slave traders in Qatar? It's hypocrisy.
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« Reply #87 on: May 27, 2015, 05:07:47 PM »
Odd how all this US bashing takes place until you need us huh?  :::::WWII::::::   :::cough cough::::

and weren't a SHITPILE of other countries also involved in all these military actions you protest so loudly? Oh wait ... they were involved, just too freaking cheap to foot the big bill so they sent little "hey we're there too!" forces .. just not enuff to dig the outhouses is all .... I remember now   :"P

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« Reply #88 on: May 27, 2015, 05:14:21 PM »
Lets see here ... Korean War

Australian
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Denmark
Ethiopia
France
Greece
Holland (Netherlands)
India
Italy
Luxembourg
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Republic of South Korea
South Africa
Sweden
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom


Vietnam
France
Japan
The United Kingdom (members of Allied Control Commission (ACC))
India (members of ACC)
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam)
Soviet Union
People’s Republic of China
North Korea
Cuba
Laos (Kingdom of Laos and Pathet Lao)
Cambodia (Khmer Republic and Khmer Rouge)
Republic of Vietnam ( aka South Vietnam (1955 – 1975) succeeded State of Vietnam (1949 – 1955) )
The United States
South Korea
Australia
New Zealand
Thailand
Philippines
Taiwan
Spain
Canada

Iraq
United States
Iraq
United Kingdom (2003-09)
Australia (2003-09)
Poland (2003-08)
Republic of Korea (2003-08)
Italy (2003-06)
Georgia (2003-08)
Ukraine (2003-08)
Netherlands (2003-05)
Spain (2003-04)

Afghanistan
United States,
United Kingdom,
Germany,
France,
Italy,
Canada,
Poland,
Netherlands,
Turkey,
Australia,
Spain,
Romania


Any other bullshit you wanna spread?

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« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2015, 05:58:41 PM »
Odd how all this US bashing takes place until you need us huh?  :::::WWII::::::   :::cough cough::::

and weren't a SHITPILE of other countries also involved in all these military actions you protest so loudly? Oh wait ... they were involved, just too freaking cheap to foot the big bill so they sent little "hey we're there too!" forces .. just not enuff to dig the outhouses is all .... I remember now   :"P

You did squat in WWII compared to everyone else. The only war America ever won without help was the one they fought against themselves.
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