Sad day to be KBF

[WGW]

Odd how all this US bashing takes place until you need us huh?  :::::WWII::::::   :::cough cough::::

and weren't a SHITPILE of other countries also involved in all these military actions you protest so loudly? Oh wait ... they were involved, just too freaking cheap to foot the big bill so they sent little "hey we're there too!" forces .. just not enuff to dig the outhouses is all .... I remember now   :"P

[WGW]

Lets see here ... Korean War

Australian
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Denmark
Ethiopia
France
Greece
Holland (Netherlands)
India
Italy
Luxembourg
New Zealand
Norway
Philippines
Republic of South Korea
South Africa
Sweden
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom


Vietnam
France
Japan
The United Kingdom (members of Allied Control Commission (ACC))
India (members of ACC)
Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam)
Soviet Union
People’s Republic of China
North Korea
Cuba
Laos (Kingdom of Laos and Pathet Lao)
Cambodia (Khmer Republic and Khmer Rouge)
Republic of Vietnam ( aka South Vietnam (1955 – 1975) succeeded State of Vietnam (1949 – 1955) )
The United States
South Korea
Australia
New Zealand
Thailand
Philippines
Taiwan
Spain
Canada

Iraq
United States
Iraq
United Kingdom (2003-09)
Australia (2003-09)
Poland (2003-08)
Republic of Korea (2003-08)
Italy (2003-06)
Georgia (2003-08)
Ukraine (2003-08)
Netherlands (2003-05)
Spain (2003-04)

Afghanistan
United States,
United Kingdom,
Germany,
France,
Italy,
Canada,
Poland,
Netherlands,
Turkey,
Australia,
Spain,
Romania


Any other bullshit you wanna spread?

[censored]

Odd how all this US bashing takes place until you need us huh?  :::::WWII::::::   :::cough cough::::

and weren't a SHITPILE of other countries also involved in all these military actions you protest so loudly? Oh wait ... they were involved, just too freaking cheap to foot the big bill so they sent little "hey we're there too!" forces .. just not enuff to dig the outhouses is all .... I remember now   :"P

You did squat in WWII compared to everyone else. The only war America ever won without help was the one they fought against themselves.

[Grace]

WGW, Europe needs the US just like it needed the plague during the middle ages. And as far as WW2 goes... it was actually the Soviet Union who broke the back of the German army and forced it all the way back to berlin. It was also the Soviet Union who placed their flag on the Reichstag while the US were still thinking about joining the war. Your understanding of WW2 events is simply FALSE.

[Immortal Tech N9ne]

lol you do none of you actually know the events of WWII at all unless you were there which i know none of you were not cen i have told you this in the past you bash america Imma bash your precious canada do you really want that and all you people that partaking in such bashing of troops are scum so its really not shocking that grace is posting in here this whole convo is just retarded totally not on topic of the thread at all drop it just drop it your internet logic is pathetic

[censored]

Bash away Canada > America in every way. We did more to win both world wars than you. We also kicked your asses. You got nothin.

[Grace]

you cannot argue with facts and fact of the matter is, despite what Hollywood would have you believe, the US joined WW2 when it was effectively over.

WW2 deaths

soviet Union = 24,000,000
USA = 418,500

http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/ww2-by-the-numbers/world-wide-deaths.html

Additionally, your president of the time, Truman, was responsible for the greatest genocide in the history of mankind when he dropped the Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Both Stalin and Hitler combined have nothing on him

[censored]

To the credit of many Americans, a lot of them did sign up with the British armed forces while their country sat back and did nothing. But not enough to claim they won the war. Not by a long shot.

[von Imhof]

Boy you guys need to open a history book or two.

Grace,
Just because the Russians lost more than the Americans does not mean they fought more. Those brutal winter battles were hell on both the Germans and Russians.
And the Russians doing all the work? The reason why they were able to hold back and then push the Germans back was due to the fact that the Japanese had their hands full with a country they cowardly attacked. The Germans plan was for the Japs to attack from the west not attack the Americans.
The greatest genocide in history?? Come on.
Stalin made Hitler look like a school boy when it came to that word. He was killing his own left and right. Russian soldiers raped over 2 million women when they made it to Berlin. One in ten of those women committed suicide.    And what about Japan? Those soldiers took women by the thousands and literally raped them to death. Don't hear much about that do you? Why? Because Japan has been trying to keep it quiet by paying off China TO THIS DAY.
Bataan death march???
And let's talk about dropping the bombs. Let's see, we have an enemy that uses their own planes as suicide bombs. They will fight to the death by every man, woman, and child. So one bomb is dropped AND THEY DON'T surrender. And let's remember, England gave approval for the drops. So do not sit there and think this was just an American decision.
Several 100k Japanese died verses the millions at the hands Hitler and Stalin. Truman is the bad guy??
Now we can debate about America holding out entering the war. But guess what. If it wasn't for the European countries...ahem...England and France, attempting to suck the Germans dry at that treaty, we would not have had to deal with this nonsense again in WWII. And as I stated earlier, they still did not learn their lesson and carved up the Middle East for themselves. Blood on their hands just as much.
Americans did nothing. What a joke. England did such a fine job holding on to territory when they were on the mainland. They were just lucky the Germans didn't wipe them out at Dunkirk. And you seriously think after that, they would be able to mount an invasion? They would tread water for awhile over the skies of England and then it would have ended. Christ, the Germans were not far behind the U.S as far as the bomb was concerned. You think they would have been torn when it came to dropping one on London? Please.
And you now what? No one is looking for thanks. Those soldiers did what needed to be done. You want to thank someone, thank the Canadians. Those poor guys got their asses handed to them and still kept coming.
There is American soil in France overlooking Omaha Beach. 9387 white head stones dot the landscape. You may have heard of it. It's called Normandy. Nuff said.

[von Imhof]

No, you don't. You only know what propaganda your corporate media feeds you. North Korea is a buffer zone for china... who the US are doing their best to contain and restrain. Take a look at a world map and you will see that the US has Both China and Russia surrounded with military bases.

North Korea has nukes to protect itself from US imperialism.

Yes we do. It is common knowledge what goes on in North Korea. Don't need any corporate media to tell me that. And North Korea needs nukes to protect itself? What a joke. We could take those nukes out with a couple of strategic bombings. And why nukes. Where has it ever been said that we would invade North Korea? Never. Those idiots are crazy enough to think they can get away with launching one. Do think the world will just sit back and watch? That's the scariest senario of all.
And speaking of corporate media propaganda. "The U.S. Has the highest human rights violations." That crap statement is the UN's standard play book. Paper tiger of an organization. How about they go talk to Qatar.

[censored]

You Americans are the ones who need to open a history book. One not written by your government.

The Russians fought for years while the Americans sat at home comfortable as can be. Every single nation on all sides fought longer and harder than the US, in both world wars.

Japan RIGHTFULLY attacked the US for cutting them off from oil. They even had the decency to hit a military target. While the US slaughtered civilians.
Japan was never working for the Nazi's. If the Axis had won the war, it likely would have been Germany Vs Japan next. They had a few treaties, but Germany/Italy was separate from Japan. They did not coordinate or work together.

All the participants in the war raped and pillaged. You just don't hear about it happening with your allies because it undermines the propaganda directed at your enemies.

American children participated in the war effort as much as Japanese children did, so the suggestion that the Japanese would have fought to the last is ridiculous. In FACT, Japan was already preparing to surrender when the US committed the most horrific war crime in all of human history.

[Grace]

No, it isn't. The propaganda fed to you by your corporate media is what is common knowledge.

Yes, the US is notorious for human rights violations and Obama makes Kim Jong-Un look like Noble Peace prize material. Also your respect for the sovereignty of other nations is on a par with Nazi Germany.

You cannot get any more cowardly than dropping a nuclear bomb on a civilian population.

You seem to be under the illusion that I condone the antics of other nations during WW2 or any other war. I don't. Each and every government are out for their own ends and play their citizens for tools.

Yes, both Hitler and Stalin have nothing on Truman and Normandy was only possible because the Soviet Union had the Germans on the back foot. This is an historical fact and facts aren't up for dispute.

Even now, when it comes to world affairs, the US simply cannot behave itself and is hell bent on provoking war and destabilising other countries, flouting the rules of international law when it suits them.

The world would be a much safer place if the US minded its own feckin' business and worried about its own borders.

[WGW]

lol.. amazing, everybody talks the trash till their ass is in a sling, then it's "hey ol buddy.. how aboot some help". oh wait .. what were those great Canadian .. err.. British... err... French .. err.. anybody except the US winning victories against the Japanese.  And then to say they rightfully attacked us because we stopped providing them resources? Guess what ... they were ours, and if you want what we got, you play nice or bugger off and find em elsewhere.  As to the nukes used to end that war .. sorry, that was THE ENEMY who dropped a sneak attack on us DURING PEACETIME, so you started the fight, don't bitch if you get your block knocked off. And if it was necessary to save countless american lives lost from invading Japan itself, sucks, regrettable, but ... they started it, we just finished it.

And Britain, while bravely fighting for its life, was dead meat without US intervention in the war. Who gave a shit enuff to save them? The French? Shit, point a slingshot at Paris and you get the ol white flag.  Soviets? They were a little busy with their own mess. An isolated island, bravely defended, would have eventually been taken.

So on one hand you say we didn't enter the war fast enuff (isolationism)  .. and on the other we should stay out such things,  pick a direction. 

[censored]

Noone had to fight the Japanese because they were already on the ropes when they blasted Pearl Harbour. Typical American bs: shock and awe on the people who are ridiculously outclassed.

They were not your resources. The US didn't start producing significant amounts of oil products until more than 60 years later. You blockaded them so they kicked you in the teeth. You put an embargo on a country and you've declared war. Peacetime my ass. You provoked them, you literally asked them to try and smack you down. And then you got shocked when they did. Ridiculous.

Britain had already taken the worst the Nazi's had by the time you got involved. The Russians had already stopped the Nazi's in their tracks and they were by far the bigger threat.

France did more as a conquered nation to take down the Nazi's than the US did with a greater GDP than all the Axis combined.

[Grace]

Cen is correct. There was an oil blockade on Japan at the time of the pearl harbour attack. It seems you fellers are heavily deprived of facts in your revised Hollywood version of history.