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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2010, 08:01:56 PM »
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The ships it was modeled after from 0game are called Deathstars, and they can destroy moons.


It also takes more than one and the risk of losing them. That's not a Death Star, it's just a world sized battle station with lots of guns.

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The only reasons you can't destroy planets with it are game design issues.

That's not the point. And they can't even destroy moons here.

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and how do you know the Zeus is bigger?

Laggy said he calculated it as massing the same as Mars. That's a LOT bigger than the smaller-than-Luna-Death Star.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2010, 08:09:53 PM »
Are you actually trying to argue that the Zeus wasn't based off of the Deathstar?
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »
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I would guess the fact that the picture has tiny Athenas surrounding the Zeus. The Star Destroyer was significantly larger than the Athena, though, and you could have about 10 in orbit around the equator of the Death Star.

I thought the picture of the Zeus on the mission would have helped slightly more? It is bigger then a moon and the Zeus is far away in the background.

[attachment=0:schtdx94]Recon_territory.png[/attachment:schtdx94]


Those ships look like Proms to me... or hercs. Each of which would have to be about the same size. (StarLancers Mammoth cargo ships were as big as the capitol ships for example, as were the bigger cargo haulers in FreeSpace)
Either way we know that either ship can hold a lot of resources/weapons, and is big. Those ships in the picture are docking or entering the Zeus.

[attachment=1:schtdx94]300px-Zeus_class.png[/attachment:schtdx94]

The Zeus is bigger then a moon.
Resources required to make a moon? 150,000 to 3,000,000. Lets assume that our moon is 3 Million resources big. ~1737.1 km is the diameter of the moon. Which would give it a volume of 2,744,562,235 meters^3 (4/3 pi r^3 = 1.3333 * 3.1415 * 655215969.5)
Resources required to make a zeus? 5 Million Ore, 4 Million Crystal. So it would be 3 times as many resources therefore at least 3 times the volume. 2,744,562,235 * 3 = 8,233,686,705 meters^3

8233686705 kilometers^3 = 4/3*pi*r^3
(3*8233686705 kilometers^3)/4pi = r^3
2155574139 = r^3
1291.77 = r
2r = d
2583.54 kilometers = diameter of a Zeus.

Various sources state the first Death Star has a diameter  between 120 and 160 kilometers.
There is a broader range of figures for the second Death Star's diameter, ranging from 160 to 900 kilometers

2583 kilometers vs 900 kilometers... I would say that the Death Star is smaller.

EDIT: Fixed the mislabeling of meters to kilometers in the calculations.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 08:17:57 PM »
I don't think those ships flying into the Zeus are any ship in the actual game.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2010, 08:22:39 PM »
Did I say that? No. I demonstrated how the Zeus is as similar to the Death Star as the name of this game is to Star Trek. Which is to say, not very much at all.
It doesn't even LOOK like the Death Star. :roll:

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Your base calculation is wrong. A max size df creates a 8000km moon in the other game. That makes a Zeus much MUCH larger.

(If I remember correctly)
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2010, 08:25:04 PM »
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Did I say that? No. I demonstrated how the Zeus is as similar to the Death Star as the name of this game is to Star Trek. Which is to say, not very much at all.
It doesn't even LOOK like the Death Star. :roll:

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Your base calculation is wrong. A max size df creates a 8000km moon in the other game. That makes a Zeus much MUCH larger.

No one here gives a *friendly expletive* about the other game here.

And my calculations are slightly mislabeled (should read kilometers^3 not meters^3).
But prove my math wrong, don't quote some other universe or game.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2010, 08:26:08 PM »
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It doesn't even LOOK like the Death Star. :roll:

Is that a joke?
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2010, 08:30:19 PM »
Sounds like someone has Zeus envy.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2010, 08:30:57 PM »
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Your base calculation is wrong. A max size df creates a 8000km moon in the other game. That makes a Zeus much MUCH larger.

(If I remember correctly)

Sorry... but I am still wth-ing over this. I mean seriously... what the heck?!


My base values (from SFC) are wrong... because of the other game?


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Explain PLEASE
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2010, 08:34:54 PM »
Your math isn't wrong, but the figure remains so. The game mechanics are identical for the purposes of the discussion. So a 3M df would create a 8000km diameter moon. Whether you like it or not.

"Is that a joke?"

Not even remotely. It is vaguely reminiscent of the Death Star, but it doesn't look like one.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2010, 08:38:45 PM »
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"Is that a joke?"

Not even remotely. It is vaguely reminiscent of the Death Star, but it doesn't look like one.

lol, that's rich.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2010, 08:41:23 PM »
Personally I don't really care for changing the game, name or theme wise.  I wish there where some more missions to run, because its not like the dailies get any better if you work your way up to Expedition 8 for Heph.

But since everyone wants their two cents in the change jar, how about taking a theme from one of the many animes that deal with space?  I mean, anyone that has seen a space anime knows their vessel designs are definitely stand alone for their design, besides their ability to beam spam (rapidfire on steroids) entire enemy armadas.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2010, 08:46:45 PM »
Edit #1: oops, messed my image up... hang on...

Edit #2: LunarAvenger just posted the exact 2 images that I was trying to.
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2010, 08:47:04 PM »
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Your math isn't wrong, but the figure remains so. The game mechanics are identical for the purposes of the discussion. So a 3M df would create a 8000km diameter moon. Whether you like it or not.

"Is that a joke?"

Not even remotely. It is vaguely reminiscent of the Death Star, but it doesn't look like one.

The figures are different.
The othergames wiki. and I will quote.

Quote from: "OUR WIKI"
The maximum chance of moon accretion is 20% (3,000,000 debris).
Which is shown on the chart as 2500 Atlas Classes.
Quote from: "OTHER GAME'S WIKI"
Each 100k debris gives a 1% chance of producing a moon, up to a maximum of a 20% chance with 2,000k debris.
This is also shown on a chart as 1667 small cargo ships.

2 Million =/= 3 Million.
1667 =/= 2500
Ă–game =/= SFC
quod erat demonstrandum

Second point.

[attachment=1:1wnezelc]deathstar.jpg[/attachment:1wnezelc]
I am sorry... the only difference I see is that the Zeus has 2 bands around it.

[attachment=0:1wnezelc]300px-Zeus_class.png[/attachment:1wnezelc]
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Re: Could we actually be more like Starfleet?
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 08:54:44 PM »
And since you want to get all uppity about it, you chose the Earth's moon to base your calculations on, but you deride me for bringing in game mechanics? Lets see just how far off YOU are when talking potential moons just within our solar system.

Deimos: smallest moon in the solar system @ mean radius of 6.2km. There's your 150k shot.
Luna: mean radius of 1,737.10 km.
Ganymede: largest moon in the solar system @ mean radius of 2634.1 km. THAT would be your 3M df, if you want to ignore the game mechanics that this game is based on.

Facepalm indeed.

As to the pic, the crater is both different and off-centre (and isn't a weapon either), AND there's superstructure underneath, which the Death Star never had.
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